Great Offensive BI call in Duke game

cmckenna · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 09:05pm

Sure looked to me like the BI call when the ring was snapped back up was right to me regardless of the talking idiots thought

JRutledge · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 09:11pm

This was not a BI. The goal was not completed as of 4-41 (NCAA of course).

Peace

BktBallRef · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 09:21pm

Jeff is correct. It wasn't BI. The ball must pass all the way through the BASKET, which includes the cylinder AND the net. We've discuss it here earlier this season.

Once again, the idiot Packer didn't know the rule.

cmckenna · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 09:25pm

So is that an NCAA thing because I thought there was a change in FED where if the ring snaps back up while in contact with the ball it was BI? Maybe I'm just totally confused. I'm looking at 4.6.4 now and not sure how I am interpreting it....

Well, that's why I post so I can always keep learning....

BktBallRef · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 09:28pm

This was a dunk. During a dunk, the player can legally place his hand in the cylinder and he can pull down on the rim.

It wasn't a situation where the rim was pulled down and hit a ball that was above the rim in the imaginary cylinder.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Mar 25th, 2005 at 09:31 PM]

cmckenna · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 09:32pm

Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
This was a dunk. During a dunk, the player can legally place his hand in the cylinder and he can pull down on the rim.

It wasn't a situation where the rim was pulled down and hit a ball that was above the rim in the imaginary cylinder.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Mar 25th, 2005 at 09:31 PM]

I think I picture what your saying. Thanks.

I have no idea where my other thought came from. Too much Sam Adams last night I guess....

BktBallRef · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 09:34pm

I think we need a game thread for each game, rather than 6 different posts for the same game!

rainmaker · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 09:37pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
I think we need a game thread for each game, rather than 6 different posts for the same game!

I don't know... I'd be glad to see 10 or 12 posts celebrating the fact that DUKE LOST!!

JRutledge · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 09:40pm

I thought the ACC such a great conference? What happened?

Peace

Daryl H. Long · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 10:02pm

Officials got it right... Basket Interference per 4-4-2

NCAA Rule 4-4-2: Basket interference also occurs when a moveable ring is pulled down by a player so that it contacts the ball before the ring returns to its original position.

Ball was difintely in the cylinder and touched the ring while it was in the down position.

Rut: 4-41 is about jumpers. Even if you meant 4-4-1 it still does not apply as that is referring to a player touching the ball while in the cylinder. This did not happen.

BktBallref and Rut: You both say it is not BI because the try was not successful by rule. To the contrary it is the very fact that the try was not yet successful that kept the ball alive making Basket Interference the proper call by rule.

BktBallRef · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 10:05pm

Daryl, the ball didn't contact the ring. The force of the ring jerking the net upwards forced the ball out. it was not BI.

blindzebra · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 10:06pm

But the game officials did not call BI. The table reported that the ball did not pass thru the basket and they awarded the Mich. St player with the rebound.

JRutledge · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 10:09pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Daryl H. Long
BktBallref and Rut: You both say it is not BI because the try was not successful by rule. To the contrary it is the very fact that the try was not yet successful that kept the ball alive making Basket Interference the proper call by rule.

It couldn't be BI. The ball did not go thru the hoop.

Rule 4-31-1 says:

a. A live ball that is not a throw-in enters the basket from above and reamains in or passes through or

b. A free throw enters the basket from above and remains in or passes through.

Peace

Daryl H. Long · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 25, 2005, 11:11pm

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Originally posted by blindzebra
But the game officials did not call BI. The table reported that the ball did not pass thru the basket and they awarded the Mich. St player with the rebound.

Thanks to all for the clarification. Sorry for the confusion on my part. I thought the officials ruled it was basket Interference. I didn't hear the announcement to the contrary and I missed the replay while I was getting my NCAA rule book and looking up rule for what happened. Looking at the live play it looked to me that the ball and ring touched while the ring was in the down position.

I have now seen the replay in slow motion and I agree that what happened is not basket interference. The avenue Rut and BktBallRef were taking in their earlier posts is a lot clearer now. The officials were right in not awarding the goal per Rule 4-31-1.

jbduke · #15 (**permalink**) Sat Mar 26, 2005, 02:04am

Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker

Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
I think we need a game thread for each game, rather than 6 different posts for the same game!

I don't know... I'd be glad to see 10 or 12 posts celebrating the fact that DUKE LOST!!

Juulie,

Why are you hatin'?

Congratulations to Michigan State and Coach Izzo on a well-earned win.