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ref18 Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:58pm

I'm watching the WVU v. T Tech game, and I just saw the official do the coolest count. It was vertical as opposed to horizontal. It looked awesome.

Good stuff

MdSooner Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:09am

mechanic
 
And I hope to goodness that no one would do this in a High School Federation game.

ref18 Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:14am

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Originally posted by MdSooner
And I hope to goodness that no one would do this in a High School Federation game.
I've got a double header on Saturday, I think this mechanic is gonna get some exposure :D

Dan_ref Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:27am

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Originally posted by ref18
I'm watching the WVU v. T Tech game, and I just saw the official do the coolest count. It was vertical as opposed to horizontal. It looked awesome.

Good stuff

I didn't notice this but the vertical count sounds like the woman's mechanic.

Or maybe he was getting close to 5 & wanted to emphasise the count?

ref18 Fri Mar 25, 2005 01:02am

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by ref18
I'm watching the WVU v. T Tech game, and I just saw the official do the coolest count. It was vertical as opposed to horizontal. It looked awesome.

Good stuff

I didn't notice this but the vertical count sounds like the woman's mechanic.

Or maybe he was getting close to 5 & wanted to emphasise the count?

THis wasn't a 5-second count, it was the back-court count. I've seen some officials do some pretty interesting things for the 5 second counts, but never anything like this for the backcourt count. It was cool.

Snake~eyes Fri Mar 25, 2005 01:39am

I gotta check it out, was he just flicking his wrist out? If its who I think ti is then ewww.

ref18 Fri Mar 25, 2005 01:43am

He was moving his whole forearm, just instead of moving his arm horizontally he moved it vertically.

RookieDude Fri Mar 25, 2005 04:01am

Dick Cartmell, D-1 official, told a buddy of mine that he doesn't like the high counts.
Some say it looks like a "Hitler" salute...just make your count look natural and comfortable...IMO.

zebraman Fri Mar 25, 2005 09:10am

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Originally posted by ref18
I'm watching the WVU v. T Tech game, and I just saw the official do the coolest count. It was vertical as opposed to horizontal. It looked awesome.

Good stuff

IMHO, it looks terrible.

Z

Nevadaref Fri Mar 25, 2005 09:20am

A couple of the REALLY OLD guys in my local HS association count this way. I always thought it was taught to them that way a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

I don't like it. Times change.

Almost Always Right Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:29am

This goes to bringing attention to oneself.
Is it OK to have a little flair and do things that aren't necessarily the proper mechanic but are in full agreement with your personality or is it better for the game if we are robots and all do the same mechanics?
Do we all struggle with this? I know I do. I am one who tends to lean toward the personality/flair side because it fits my personality. However, it does bring some additional attention to me. I believe I handle it just fine though.
This is all said about being on a high school. I am way more of a robot on a college floor!(Don't know exactly why)
Any thoughts?
AAR

Rich Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:31am

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Originally posted by ref18
I'm watching the WVU v. T Tech game, and I just saw the official do the coolest count. It was vertical as opposed to horizontal. It looked awesome.

Good stuff

Tim Higgins used to count this way all the time. And I also did this back in the 80s when counting the 10 second in the backcourt count.

But times change....

rockyroad Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:38am

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by ref18
I'm watching the WVU v. T Tech game, and I just saw the official do the coolest count. It was vertical as opposed to horizontal. It looked awesome.

Good stuff

I didn't notice this but the vertical count sounds like the woman's mechanic.

Or maybe he was getting close to 5 & wanted to emphasise the count?

No, wasn't like the women's mechanic - that starts at hip and goes up and out...this was - as someone said - more of a tomahawk chop downwards...looked goofy. He also did it as C when free throw shooter had the ball - that looked really goofy!

rainmaker Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:48am

So, the moral to the story, ref18, is to keep it in your bag of tricks but don't use it when someone that matters is watching.

But you do get points for bringing something interesting and different to the board. Thanks!

ref18 Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:59am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
So, the moral to the story, ref18, is to keep it in your bag of tricks but don't use it when someone that matters is watching.

But you do get points for bringing something interesting and different to the board. Thanks!

As with anything else I see at the D1 level :D

You're welcome :)

Snake~eyes Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:02pm

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Originally posted by zebraman
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Originally posted by ref18
I'm watching the WVU v. T Tech game, and I just saw the official do the coolest count. It was vertical as opposed to horizontal. It looked awesome.

Good stuff

IMHO, it looks terrible.

Mine too..

WyMike Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:15pm

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Originally posted by RookieDude
Dick Cartmell, D-1 official, told a buddy of mine that he doesn't like the high counts.
Some say it looks like a "Hitler" salute...just make your count look natural and comfortable...IMO.

I hate the Hitler Salute mechanic and there are a few old timers working the courts whom have this technique down.

For me, a simple lateral arm movement on the bench side is more than adequate.

ChrisSportsFan Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:20pm

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Originally posted by WyMike
Quote:

Originally posted by RookieDude
Dick Cartmell, D-1 official, told a buddy of mine that he doesn't like the high counts.
Some say it looks like a "Hitler" salute...just make your count look natural and comfortable...IMO.

I hate the Hitler Salute mechanic and there are a few old timers working the courts whom have this technique down.

For me, a simple lateral arm movement on the bench side is more than adequate.

Let's make this really interesting; 2 finger count or do you use the entire flat hand style.

Mark Padgett Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:26pm

I use a count for all situations where I extend my right arm straight out from my body, then bend it at the elbow to bring my hand up to smack the side of my head.

I've done it this way for a lot of years and it seems to work fine fine fine fine fine

jbduke Fri Mar 25, 2005 01:58pm

Wow. Interesting to read that so many people liked it. I thought it looked really awkward. I like flair when it looks natural, but his motion was so forceful, not at all fluid.

ref18 Fri Mar 25, 2005 02:06pm

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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
Quote:

Originally posted by WyMike
Quote:

Originally posted by RookieDude
Dick Cartmell, D-1 official, told a buddy of mine that he doesn't like the high counts.
Some say it looks like a "Hitler" salute...just make your count look natural and comfortable...IMO.

I hate the Hitler Salute mechanic and there are a few old timers working the courts whom have this technique down.

For me, a simple lateral arm movement on the bench side is more than adequate.

Let's make this really interesting; 2 finger count or do you use the entire flat hand style.

It all depends, usually I use 2 fingers, but sometimes I get the whole hand in there.

Snake~eyes Fri Mar 25, 2005 02:47pm

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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
Quote:

Originally posted by WyMike
Quote:

Originally posted by RookieDude
Dick Cartmell, D-1 official, told a buddy of mine that he doesn't like the high counts.
Some say it looks like a "Hitler" salute...just make your count look natural and comfortable...IMO.

I hate the Hitler Salute mechanic and there are a few old timers working the courts whom have this technique down.

For me, a simple lateral arm movement on the bench side is more than adequate.

Let's make this really interesting; 2 finger count or do you use the entire flat hand style.

I'm a two finger guy myself, what about you?

tjones1 Fri Mar 25, 2005 02:57pm

I use the whole flat hand.

Back In The Saddle Fri Mar 25, 2005 04:45pm

I didn't see the count in question, but as far as bringing attention to yourself with a counting mechanic, nothing beats the Hitler salute. When you've got a routine play with somebody bringing the ball up the floor uncontested and you've got the full arm swing going, that's hardly subtle.

I keep trying to break the two-finger habit, but it just feels better to do it that way.


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