As a UK fan I am literally praying that we don't see Hess in Austin. He has really hurt UK in recent years in big games. North Carolina's 40 plus free throws this year with two phantoms on Chuck in the first 5 minutes. Last year in the UAB game, he called a horrible charge on Buike, and a 5 second call on the out of bounds, which was really only 4, and on replay shows his body leaned in at 3! as if he was wanting to blow the whistle, he waited until 4 to do so.
He also called the Marquette game of 3 years ago and made another horrible charge call that involed A. Barbour. It was so bad that both the TV and arena counted the basket that AB made. Hess waived the basket and called a charge which ended up being a 5 6 point turnaround because Marquette hit a three the next trip.

Hess called the Duke games of this past weekend and is widely known as a ACC/Duke ref. I hope the NCAA does not put him in the same region as Duke, and especially UK.

He has hurt us in many ways over the years.

Anyone know where Hess may be going?

By popular demand of all the officials in the world, Hess is going to Austin to do the UK game.

Now screw off, fanboy. This site is for grown-ups, not whiny immature little goobers like you. Find a fanboy site and moan about the bad ol' officials to your hearts content.

Lah me. March Madness is here- fer sure.

I hope you brought your asbestos undies, my friend! :D

Popcorn, anyone?

i have the game tapes broken down to show you the calls if you'd like to see...

wow, didn't know this was a site that allowed 4th graders on here...

4th graders are only allowed until the moderators see them, so I'm giving you about 15 more minutes and then it's....

In the words of fans everywhere...


na-na-na=-na

na-na-na-na

hey-hey

good bye!

LOL, you're in fine form today! :)

i guess i misunderstood this site...

i thought it was a place to discuss officiating?

It <b>is</b> a place to discuss officiating. Unfortunately, you aren't capable of reasonably or knowledgably doing that though. Iow, this isn't a place for immature clueless fanboys like you that wanna blame the officials for their team's losses. If you think that there's a massive conspiracy out there to screw UK, hey, take it to Congress. Maybe they'll drop the baseball inquiry to look into your concerns. It's worth a shot.

Let us know how that turns out.

Lah me.

If by discuss you mean complain about and berate officials, you are mistaken. If by discuss you mean to learn from others about the rules, mechanics and art of officiating, you've got the right place.

If you're truly here to discuss officiating, then leave your biases at the door and come with your honest questions. But since I believe you're intent lies in the realm of complaining and berating, let me just leave you with one fact that, in the end, you will probably just discard. I share it with you only in the hopes that it may rattle around in the back of your mind for a while and eventually cause your mind to open. I admit, it's a longshot.

Here it is: What the fans in the arena or the uneducated bufoons that infest the airwaves think about an official's call, has absolutely no bearing on whether it is the right call or not. Zero. Not even the tiniest bit.

Now if you have a specific call you want to discuss, please feel free to post a question. But only if you really want to know the answer to the question. If you're just looking to support what you already believe, then you ought to take JR's advice and find a fan board. There are plenty of folks there willing to wallow in ignorance.

It is a place to discuss officiating. Maybe the rest of the board got off to the wrong start with you.

However we have just one criteria if you are going to berate an official and/or his or her performance... that criteria being you have expertise in the field of evaluating basketball officials. Therefore please list your credentials so that we can give your thoughts the consideration they deserve. In your list please indicate the folowing:
*the last time you read the rule book
*the last time you read the CCA Officals Manual
*How many referee camps/clinics you have attended (for purposes of this evaluation, please indicate the college clinics attended since this is the level we are talking about)
*How many years you have been officiating
*Hom many games you have called as a Div 1 official
*Any other pertinent criteria that I may have left out

Now if you don't have any of these credentials you do not know enough about officiating to offer up anything valuable with regards to discussing officiating. All you have is your fan bias, which does not account for much. If you do, then maybe we should take another look at your evaluations. Until then, we will treat your comments at face value which is purely fanboy speak.

As a moderator myself, I will tell you if you have legitimate questions regarding officiating and philosphy, by all means ask away. If you came here to rant about "bad calls" against your team and officials who are biased, I will quickly delete your posts and account and you can take that to a fan site.

You came in here to tell us that you think Hess is biased against UK and that you supposedly have video that can show it. The purpose of your post is rather transparent, you came in here to bash an official while disguising it as something more noble.

As far as the TV/Arena putting the score on the board and then having it wiped off, that is a problem with those entities. The scorer's are not supposed to input information until we (the officials) are done reporting the information.

This forum is generally used to discuss calls/no-calls and to tell other referees to screw teams for no apparent reason other than to get some team followers in here so we can hate on them. Being from Indiana myself, I try to give every team from Kentucky the "homer" treatment.

BTW, whenever Hess works a Cantucky game, I put $500 on their opponent... its a sure thing ;)

It isn't, so GTF out.

Can somebody get rid of this fanboy?

Lowest of the low. The only thing worse than a KU fanboy is a TarHeel fanboy. Sure hope none of those clowns show up.

Popcorn! Get yer Popcorn! You can't enjoy a good fan-boy beating without popcorn!

BBall_Junkie is DA MAN!!!! :D

So are you!

WOW!! I'd sure like to see a call that resulted in a 56 point turnaround!

BTW - I hope your tape shows how many free throws and field goals the officials missed, plus the number of turnovers they made. :p

Dear Fanboys,

Yes, I know where Karl Hess is going to be this weekend: Austin. In an unprecedented move, Hank Nichols has already assigned Hess to work ALL THREE GAMES!!

He will work the Duke game, because he's in K's pocket; then he'll work the Kentucky game twenty minutes later. Now, read carefully, because I'm going to give you some dope here you won't read anywhere else. Hess is going to make absolute sure that Kentucky wins on Friday night; this, of course, is only to throw you off, to make you wrongly believe that he doesn't hate Kentucky with every breath he takes, also because he knows that it'll hurt Kentucky fans worse to lose to Duke again than to lose to Utah.

Then, Sunday afternoon, he will revert to his true colors, making sure that Hayes and Buike have at least five fouls between them by half-time, and that Duke gets exactly 59.81 per cent of the close calls down the stretch (for plausible deniability and all). Soon after Duke wins the game, Hess is going to emerge from the locker room still in full uniform with scissors in hand to give to Daniel Ewing, who will cut the first strands of net for the victors.

Enjoy Friday night, because Karl Hess is gonna rip your heart out Sunday afternoon. Tubby and company might as well not even show up, because they have no chance whatsoever to impact the outcome of the game. Nothing that happens will be their responsibility, not turnovers, not missed free throws, not bad switches, nothing.

Go Hess, and Go Duke.

I am really starting to enjoy when the fanboys come in here!!
I would like to add something to all of this but it has already been said.
I did hear that Nichols was looking at shipping Hess from Chicago to Austin!!
AAR

Kinda like dropping a goldfish into a piranha tank. I'll go pop some popcorn for the day's adventures.

I think I'll start referring people here to complain about the officials. Probably be able to get some Iowa fans here to complain about Ed Hightower. :)

Hey Tubby -

Rather than call you fanboy, I'll beat you with evidence. Fortunately, basketball mad UK fans keep track of certain things like UK's overall record with each official. Your record with Karl Hess? 14 wins, 5 losses. Doesn't sound like you've got too much to complain about. Don't believe me? Here's the link to your UK fan website:

http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statist....html#KarlHess

good stuff
 

now that is some good stuff right there...hey I just opened this thread, and I see fan boy hasn't been back for a while....hmmmmmm wonder where he went....

Re: good stuff
 

We could try calling him.

"Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty. Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty."

Hey Tubby,

Now I can see why you are so bent....Karl Hess is definitely no Jim Biersdorfer (47 - 4) while attending, err, umm, officiating Kentucky games.

Did anyone else notice that only eight referees listed have Kentucky losing more than they won? Also notice that those officials never worked more than 10 games in their careers for Kentucky. I guess that if you want to work UK games you need to produce more W's.

NEXT!

What's even better is UK's record with "noted ACC homer officials" - not my words - Mike Wood (13-0) and Duke Edsall (9-0).

Yeah, they've all got it in for the Cats.

BTW, there's something wrong with that database judging from this entry:

Mickey Crowley 2 3 40 2/11/1933 12/27/1989

First game 1933?

wow, and Kentucky folks get the label of being rednecks...

I think some on here should look in the mirror, forgive me for being so low and unworthy of this perfect group of human beings

BTW, in the UT game this year, Hess called a foul on Chuck in the first 6 seconds of the game on a lay up, and then his second in the next 4 minutes...a fan wonders about these trends...

that's what fans do

forgive my love for the game and the love of fairness

good luck with all of your games coming up, enjoy the weekend

for conversation purposes, what about the intentional foul called at near the end of the KU/Bucknell game? He reached, and barely nipped jersey, and was called for an intentional...by definition, it was perhaps the correct call, but, what about all the other games when it isn't such an important moment when this call is not made?

as a fan of hoops, this year seemed to be the most inconsistent whistle I can remember...one half called one way, the next anthor...

Switching from a CUSA game to a Big East game made me derive that there were two different sports taking place...one where you are allowed to make alot of contact to gain advantage without a whistle, then at the same moment on another game, a touch foul made the whistle blow...

a rule is a rule, a walk is a walk, a carry is a carry, no matter the teams playing or the style they play

If you are such a stickler for the rules and you are only trying to improve the game.....yea right!

Let's take this to the next step. You are driving your car 1 mph above the speed limit and a cop decides to stop you and issue a ticket. You complain that you are getting homered. Cop says, rules are rules. In short, a policeman could sit and issue tickets all day long, jamb up traffic, and disrupt the flow of that particular stretch of road, or he could sit back and cite drivers for significant infractions.

Do us all a favor ... keep coming back so we can laugh at you :)

i truly hope you guys aren't real officials with your manners

it would be a shame to the game we all love so much

i actually disagree, a ticket should be issued on every occassion there is a violation so there would be no instance that any questions about the rules could enter the situation

I can certainly appreciate your passion for the game however, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLdeepbreathLOLOLOLOLOLOL
AAR

were they the correct call??? remember now fouls are fouls, a carry is a carry..blah blah blah.

A fellow official has boiled down a popular coach and fans quote to what it really means....We all hear "hey let em play" .... What is meant is "hey let em play....when WE are on defense"...

That call has been discussed on this board, and on the board, and when a group of us were watching it on TV, it was the absolute correct call....one in the business we call a B*lls call or at least some of us do ;)

You can not be serious.

If you are a fan then you can not tell me that you would want ot sit and watch a game that has 100 fouls called in it. Just because there is contact does not mean that there is a foul. Just because there is a foul does not mean that the offending team or offended team has been put at any advantage or disadvantage over the other player.

Because you say that you want every foul called just lets everyone here know what a true fanboy you really are.

Take a hike and even though I am an SEC fan as well as a 8yr official, I still hope UK gets slaughtered just for you.

Tubby -

If by UT, you mean Tennessee, Hess didn't work any of those games this year. I think you may be getting your officials wrong.

1/25/05 - Knoxville - Ted Valentine, Joe Lindsay, Tim Clougherty (Score UK 84, UT 62 - Total Fouls UK 10, UT 20)

3/2/05 - Lexington - Gerald Boudreaux, Tony Greene, Mike Stuart (Score UK 73, UT 61 - Total Fouls UK 14, UT 18)

3/11/05 - SEC Tournament - Tom Lopes, Bruce Benedict, Doug Sirmons (Score UK 76, UT 62 - Total Fouls UK 14, UT 19)

And, by looking at the scores and foul totals, your credibility continues to take a hit.

Care to continue debating "Mr. Love of the Game and Love of Fairness?"

And a fan is a fan. And fan is short for fanatic. :(

Regarding the intentional foul in the Kasnsas-Bucknell game, let me offer the rule to you. "It may or may not be premeditated and is not based on the severity of the act. It makes no difference how severe the contact was or wasn't. The defender met the rule requirement for the intetnional foul to be called. And we all know full well that he was trying to foul to prevent the KU player from scoring. We also know that you wouldn't have brought it up if this had been a foul called in UK's favorite.

In the NCAA Tournament, you have seen more intentional fouls, more technical fouls, and more player control fouls (that's "charging" in fan terms). Why? Because the NCAA wants the tournament officiated a certain way. If you're an official in the Big East, then you officiate the games the way the Big East wants them officiated. But if you're an official in the tourney and want to continue working deeper and deeper, you do what Hank Nichols says to do.

Here endeth the lesson.

1) You're forgiven for being low and unworthy. You're not forgiven for being a whinya$$ l'il fanboy.

2) Yup, you're doing exactly what fans do, and that's why fans like you are such contemptible little pissants. No wonder we have trouble keeping officials.

3) The one thing that you most certainly do <b>not</b> have is a sense of fairness. All you are interested in is seeing Kentucky win, and you could care less what happens while they're trying to do that. That's why you question the integrity of an official without knowing the first damn thing about officiating or the rules- except for what what you pick up from knownothing tv announcers or your fellow clueless fanboys. If you think that the officials are so bad, why don't you get your fat a$$ out of the stands and show us how easy it really is.

Isn't it time to send this moron on his way? He ain't ever gonna figure out that we kinda don't take to goobers that call us cheaters.

I'll call my buddy Tim and ask him if he'll do his Karl Hess imitation for us! :D

Where's my shotgun? This barrel is full of fish :O

Have fun guys!

Reminds me of a time at the SEC tourney several years ago when a guy on the first row behind me yelled, "Hey Rutledge, you suck!" I turned to him and said "Umm, Don Rutledge isn't working this game." Fanboy replies, "Well, it doesn't matter. They all suck!" I laughed, shrugged my shoulders and turned away.

Maybe it was Tubby Rules...

Mmm...this popcorn's good.

Can someone pass the salt?

Guys, Guys, Guys (and a few Gals!)...
 

What are we doing? I have asked Tubby to provide his credentials for evaluating officiating way back on the first page. He has yet to provide these which leads me to believe he is not actually qualifed to evaluate an officials performance. (Comments dripping with sarcasm)

Until he provides such information, ignore him. That is the best solution. Unless he asks a legitimate question regarding rules and philosophy and the question has a tone of sincerety without an agenda (read: want to learn and better educate himself.)

Now, if he does provide his credentials and they are noteworthy, well then I guess we will have to reevaluate his observations. I am not holding my breath on either account. :D

Note specifically to Tubby:

Any other BS posts that don't meet the criteria as outlined in paragraph two will be summarily deleted by me (provided I see them).

Whewww!
 

As a complete outsider (as most of you know I am not a basketball official or a Kentucky fan - well you might not know that) I believe the score of this thread currently is:

Trained Officials 40
Whiners (oops, Tubby) 0

I believe the ony way this thread could turn around is if TubbyRules winds up being Ashley Judd.

Who cares
 

It doesn't really matter to us that there are more whinney fanboys out there like you.

Since there is already a discussion going on for another board, obviously a fan board, why don't you go join that conversation. They may feel a little more sorry for you than any of the people here do.

Adios

No body said you were. You're also not the only one who doesn't have a clue about officiating. There are millions and millions. If you want to know more about officiating, then this is the place. If you want to know more about Kentucky, and why they're always right, go elsewhere.

Re: Guys, Guys, Guys (and a few Gals!)...
 

hey hey hey, lets not summarily kick him to the curb...Tubby is like that little squishball some of us have on our desks....he really doesn't serve a purpose other than stress relief now and then...you know he just sits there until you want to pull him out and squish him some more....:D

Re: Re: Guys, Guys, Guys (and a few Gals!)...
 

I agree. In fact, my last squish ball sprang a leak, so I've been looking for a new one. Tubby squishes pretty good. :D

I wonder which Tubby he is - maybe the one with the purse? :D

(this is an "inside" joke for those who have young kids or grandkids)

TinkieWinkie is the one with the purse. I think Dipsy would be a better name for a fan-troll, though.