TV, last night, can't remember who the were the teams. Lead calls a block, Center calls a PC. play by play guys, went bananas when they called a double foul and no basket. They said the usual, "they can't take the basket away, they can't call a double foul, I never seen that before, bad call, its clearly a block, defense was still moving, they got that wrong, they need to go to the other official and ask him". In seeing the replay, I think it could have gone either way. It was as close as I think it could be. My olny thoughts, it started in the middle of the paint and ended on the center side, going to the hoop. In the Women's game, the center takes it. I don't know about the men's side. The play by play guys said they went to the AP. I don't know for sure, because they gave it to the team that had the possession at the spot on the baseline.
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I believe that was Colo. v OSU. Took basket away from Colo, and then gave them the ball back. Ended up being a 2 point win for OSU.
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Secondary defender, should be lead's call....
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I thought the basket would count on this since a double foul is not considered a PC foul.
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It's a play we see so often - dribbler beats his defender, secondary slides in to help. The rationale is that C (or sometimes T) may see the play from the beginning, but not the crucial point where defender establishes/does not establish LGP. This is especially true when the dribbler goes airborne, I think. Still not sure about the difference between Men/Womens mechanics, though... Regardless of the rule interpretation, the crucial thing here is who should have sucked their whistle? As for the bucket - does the airborne shooter exception to the PC foul come into play here? |
No such thing as an airborne shooter in NCAA men's. My understanding is that with all double fouls you go to the arrow. I know some have talked about a desire to go POI, but I think the arrow is the most equitable answer. After all, both guys committed the foul.
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There is no airborne shooter in Men's NCAA.
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Now that I think about it more, I don't think it was a secondary defender. But, it still makes for interesting dicussion.
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So if there's no airborne shooter, what happens when A1 drives, releases shot, collides with B1. Double whistle and a blarge....do we count the hoop, go double foul and AP?
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Tony: You are correct that NCAA Men's does not have a player control foul by an airborne shooter per the NFHS and NCAA Women's rules, but the NCAA Men's rule per an airborne shooter being fouled by the defense is the same as the NFHS and NCAA Women's rule is concerned. MTD, Sr. |
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