here's a sitch I heard about from a fellow official -- officials are observing warmups prior to second half of the JV game....player dunks the ball...refs go to assess a T and find player is not in the book....because he's on the varsity team which plays after the JV game....what should you do? I'll tell you later what these officials did...

Get him off the court ASAP. Hopefully his coach saw it and chewed on him a little bit. No T, IMO. Just get him off the court.

[Edited by tjones1 on Mar 3rd, 2005 at 05:34 PM]

Well, He earned his T. Goes in the book and counts toward the team fouls. Since you now have to record the name in the book, if the change in the book after the 10min mark, we have another T.

What if that player ineligble for the JV game (i.e. a senior)? Now you've got a problem putting him in the book. IMO, just get him off the court and inform his coach.

In my mind, he has no affiliation with the game I am officiating. I walked into a gym, warm-up clock was running, teams weren't on the floor, saw varsity players dunking. I could't care any less, other than to ask them to stop.

If he is doing warm-ups with the JV, then its a T. I don't think being ineligble has anything to do with the decission.

I would knock him down, then pull his heart out through his throat.

Oh wait - that's not right. In this case, just tell him to get off the court, then buy him an ice cream soda.

just an fyi, the game officials assessed 2 T's -- I would have just told the kid to leave the court, w/out penalty. He's not part of the current game, i.e. - not a team member or player

mdray: What were he 2 T's for, one for the dunk and one for adding him to the book?

Bart, so if a fan came out during halftime and dunked the ball while a team was warming up would you still give that fan a T and add them to the book. What if they are too old to be on the team (i.e. a dad 57 yrs old) does eligibility still not matter and if he is added to the book will he be allowed to play in the 2nd half of the game?

I'd probably let the coach take care of it. Make him aware of the situation and most would chew the kid out. Another option would be to have game management remove him. If he's not on the team playing, he's a fan on the floor. Have him removed. Also, could you assume he's an assistant coach since he's not in the book but clearly with the team? I know its a stretch, but this is an odd situation. I'd go with my first option of letting the coach handle it, but its always good to talk about other ways of handling things.

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Or you could just give the T to the bench. That way you would avoid the whole player not in the book issue.

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How could you give a T to the bench. The bench or players on the JV team did nothing wrong.

Now you want to change the situation? This seems a little elementary to say, but, different situations call for different solutions. This would only happen in a sub. varsity game. Its best to teach the players and coaches early then have to deal with players trying to test the limits of the officials and the rules later, i.e. a varsity game. If you want to laugh about it and have players poking fun at you about how they did something they know better, then that is fine with me. Its easy to play Monday night quarterback, but these officials were on the court having to deal with something they don't need to deal with and they did the same thing I think I would have done. Put yourself in their shoes, they don't have time to go to the e-net or call the supervisor.

There should not be a T.

Calling one is creating problems where none exist. Tell the player to knock it off.

What about the next game and they do it again?
What is the reasoning behind the rule of no dunking before the game?

At that point in the JV game I consider those V players to not be involved in that game. Officially there game has not started yet. I do not have my rule book with me, but I think the V game starts around 30 minutes prior to their game time or when you arrive on the court to officiate that game.

I understand that those officials have a situation to deal with as does everyone else when they are out there. That is why I am providing my response and giving them some examples of what could happen and how I might deal with those situations.

In this situation I would inform the coach that the V players should not be out there dunking at halftime of the JV game and leave it at that.

This is my opinion Bart and you have every right to disagree with it. That is your perogative.

Agree that it causes just too big of a mess. Nicely go over to their coach after you get him off the floor and tell him/her what they did, IMO.

Yep. Any coach worth their salt will make sure that those non-players will never be out there dunking again on a game they aren't participating in. A "T" is not necessary.

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The rule does not cover a varsity player dunking during the half of the JV game.

The T is for a PLAYER dunking, 10-3-4, it says team member. That reguires a team member ELIGIBlE to play, 4-34-1 thru 4 covers that, and I don't see any mention of players in the next game being team members.;)