I need some help. A rule in basketball is you can not run out of bounds to avoid a screen or 3 seconds.
I was watching a class AA regional basketball game last night when a team would set a screen under the basket. another offensive player would run around the screen and out of bounds a good 3-4 feet and return to the opposite cornor, then would receive the ball for a 3 pt shot. This happened 3 times (making 2 of 3) and the opposing coach was going crazy saying he could not do this. The officials called nothing. I thought you could not go out of bounds. Clay |
By rule, the play you describe is a Technical foul in HS ball.
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I hope next year they make this a violation just like the NCAA. Then it could be called much more. A Technical is much too harsh for this. No different than the elbow throwing T that was changed to a simple violation.
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I think that 99% of the time, this is done by the offense...to get away from the defense. It would be a rare occassion that a defender would get an advantage by running OOB unless he's following an opponent around who also ran OOB...but the call should go against the first violator. If the defender's path is cut off late enough to leave OOB as the better route and he chooses not to run into the illegal screen (no time/distance), the offense has gained the advantage by forcing him to go OOB rather than direct so a no call would be acceptable. If the defender's path is cut off in time with a good screen, then the offense has achieve the desired result by pulling the defender off the cutter. |
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Rut is right. This needs to be a violation rather than a T. I've seen it once or twice, but didn't call it because it wasn't a habit. I did have a partner call it once -- against common sense in my opinion -- with a couple of minutes left in a blow out game. The fans and coach went crazy and I actually had to have a fan (my neighbor who lives three doors down from me) ejected because he wouldn't get off of my partner for the call. T is pretty severe for this offense.
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It would be a great way for the defense to stop the clock in an end of game situation. Just run around out of bounds till the ref blows his whistle. Ren |
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Tanner,
Maybe I'm just having a little brain freeze here, but why would the defender want to go out of bounds? I can't picture many scenarios that this would give a defender much of an advantage. I'll bet most post pleyers would love to have their defender out of bounds when they go up for a shot. If they're out of bounds they aren't in legal guarding position. They can't steal the ball. It seems to me that they just penalized themselves. BT |
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OK work with me now. I'm trying to get this picture. Why would the screener set the screen on the baseline? And if he did, why wouldn't the defender go top side to get around it?
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Frankly, I think they should just make this rule go away. Unless there's obvious intent to deceive (a player hiding in the crowd or at the concession stand only to return later for an easy score), I don't see how this rule really benefits the game.
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Be reasonable. Argue.
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If someone takes two ugly steps along the baseline out of bounds on an inbounds play, I live with it. If they cross the lane, come in, gain an advantage like a wide open 3 - the oldest illegalinboundsplay in the book - I call the T.I'm not going to let them score, and chances are the coach has encouraged this, or, at least, is aware of it. If they don't gain an advantage, I mention it to both coaches, and all bets are then off. It's allowed too much, the inbounds play, so there is an UNreasonable expectation that it's OK, and a genuine ignorance of the rule. I couldn't agree more with whoever said these things should be changed to violations - a la the elbow thing. Too severe, thus under-if-ever enforced. |
its in the poe
called this twice this year...came on this forum and was shown that it is in this years poe...they want it called because of last years rule change requiring both feet on the court for LGP. agree that a vio would be better.
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The most talented player on the floor by far ran OOB along the sideline to pass several players in his path and get to the player with the ball. Partner had that line and called the T. It was clear he was gaining an advantage by running OOB and passing slower players in his path to the ball. Of course, coach goes nuts! "I've never heard of such a thing, you've got to be kidding..." |
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Probably should be mixing in a salad! |
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