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Fri Feb 25, 2005, 04:45pm
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I was in the stands watching the officials when this happened.
It's in the 3rd period of a close JVG game. B1 commits a foul and T goes to report to the table. Scorer puts up both index fingers side-by-side indicating FT's and T interprets it as shooting a "one and one". They go to the line and the shooter A1 misses the front end. The ball is rebounded by A3 and while moving the ball around the perimeter, A3 is fouled by B2. During the reporting of this foul the scorer tells the reporting official the last foul should have been a double bonus, not a one and one, and the foul by B2 is in the double bonus. 1)The second foul is B2's 5th foul. She should be gone but she is also one of their key players. 2)A1 is 'owed' a FT from the first foul. 3)There hasn't been a change of possession. 4)Time has expired from the clock. 5)This is the first deadball timeout since the FT error. Now... 1)Coach A wants a 2nd FT for A1 and for A3 to also shoot her double bonus and for B2 to be DQ'd. 2)Coach B maintains if the double bonus was shot by A1, B2 would never have gotten her 5th foul so he wants that wiped out if A1 receives her 2nd shot and no shots for A3. 3)Both coaches also want the time put back onto the clock. My gut reaction would have been to give A1 her 2nd shot. Still charge B2 with her 5th foul since it did occur. Give A3 two shots and to not put time back onto the clock since I'm not sure of exactly how much time elapsed. Now that's common sense, but what do the rules allow for? 
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Fri Feb 25, 2005, 04:58pm
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No time goes back on the clock
A1 shoots 1 FT with the lane cleared. Then A3 goes and shoots 2 FTs for being in the double bonus, with players lined up and you resume the game from here. B2 is DQ'd for 5 fouls. [Edited by tjones1 on Feb 25th, 2005 at 05:01 PM]
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Fri Feb 25, 2005, 05:03pm
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Excellent response tjones. I think you hit it right on the head.
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Fri Feb 25, 2005, 05:06pm
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Yuck...I hate messes.
First, this is a correctable error (not shooting a merited free throw), and it was caught in the proper time (before the ball becomes alive after the first dead ball). I believe the other item that applies is all other activity that happens in the meantime counts. So, time has expired. B2 is disqualified and needs to be replaced. A1 shoots one free throw, with no one on the lane. A3 then shoots her double bonus, again with no one on the lane. Quarter ends. No time can be put on the clock unless you know there was time between the foul on B2 and horn going off. As far as B2 being a key player, maybe we can start another thread on that topic... 
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Fri Feb 25, 2005, 05:11pm
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Hmm...re-reading the question - when you said time has expired, does that mean the quarter has ended, or are you saying the clock has been running since the missed free throw? If that's the case, tjones1 has it right in you put the players on the lane for the double bonus. However, make sure you replace B2 before you do anything.
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Fri Feb 25, 2005, 05:31pm
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tjones1:
When I saw your reply, it made me go back and looked as well. It says, "Time has expired from the clock." I originally interpreted it to say "Time has expired." But he could be saying time has run off the clock. So, if the qtr's over, no one on the lane for either player's throw(s). If there is time left, no one on the lane for the throws by A1 and put everyone back for the second set. The point I was trying to make was to make sure you replace B2 who fouled out before shooting any free throws. Then you could get into some REALLY messy stuff if you forget about her...
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Fri Feb 25, 2005, 06:00pm
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Correctable errors are the most likely time we make an error. Study that section hard, or you can just be a perfect official and never have an error.
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Fri Feb 25, 2005, 11:49pm
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Sun Feb 27, 2005, 10:54am
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From the intitial responses my first thoughts seem to be correct. Award the missed FT and charge the 5th foul.
To clear the timing issue, time has run off the clock and not actually "expired". Maybe 15-20 seconds or so had run off.
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Sun Feb 27, 2005, 02:55pm
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