T to a fouled out player

[QuebecRef87]

What happens when a fouled out player (on the bench) gets a technical foul? I had this situation last weekend and I'm not quite sure if I handled it correctly...

[TimTaylor]

Originally posted by QuebecRef87
What happens when a fouled out player (on the bench) gets a technical foul? I had this situation last weekend and I'm not quite sure if I handled it correctly...

When a player is disqualified s/he becomes bench personnel. A subsequent T on that player is charged directly to the player and indirectly to the head coach. It's counted as one team foul towards the bonus.....

[QuebecRef87]

Okay, so that player now has 6 personnal fouls?

[Adam]

Not that it matters, but yes, they now have 6 personals.
Also, the T is only assessed indirectly to the head coach if the coach has been notified that it was the 5th personal. Once you notify the coach that it is 5 personal fouls, the player is bench personnel. Before that, it is only assigned to the player.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by Snaqwells
Not that it matters, but yes, they now have 6 personals.
Also, the T is only assessed indirectly to the head coach if the coach has been notified that it was the 5th personal. Once you notify the coach that it is 5 personal fouls, the player is bench personnel. Before that, it is only assigned to the player.

This is an important point.

[Adam]

Thanks. The only times I've had to add a Tech to a personal, the act was commited before I even reported the foul. Chances are, by the time you report it and the table tells you it was 5, the player has already either made it worse or kept himself under control.

[Mark Padgett]

Guys - let's not get our terms confused. A technical foul never counts as a personal foul. Yes - it does count toward the five fouls for a DQ, and a lot of score books don't have a way to indicate this properly and you wind up having the scorer list it in the personal area since that is the only way you can tell when the total reaches five, but it is not a personal. Newer books should have the two boxes for technicals in the same place as the five boxes for personals so you can just look at the total only when it reaches five, of course (in reference to another thread).

Some feel you should mark it as a personal also so you make sure it is counted toward the team foul total. I understand this, but if you have a scorekeeper with at least half a brain (and I know this isn't always the case), he or she should be able to keep the terminology straight and not screw up - with a little explanation from you, of course.

[ref18]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Guys - let's not get our terms confused. A technical foul never counts as a personal foul. Yes - it does count toward the five fouls for a DQ, and a lot of score books don't have a way to indicate this properly and you wind up having the scorer list it in the personal area since that is the only way you can tell when the total reaches five, but it is not a personal. Newer books should have the two boxes for technicals in the same place as the five boxes for personals so you can just look at the total only when it reaches five, of course (in reference to another thread).

Some feel you should mark it as a personal also so you make sure it is counted toward the team foul total. I understand this, but if you have a scorekeeper with at least half a brain (and I know this isn't always the case), he or she should be able to keep the terminology straight and not screw up - with a little explanation from you, of course.

Back when I kept the book, I used one slash through the number to signify a foul. If it was a technical, I'd put a T through the number. It seemed to work.

If I were to add my opinion to the design of a scoresheet, I'd also add an area for technicals administered to bench personel. It's probably wishful thinking, but I think it would be able to work. Most scorers don't understand the difference between a direct and indirect T on a coach.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by ref18
Most scorers don't understand the difference between a direct and indirect T on a coach.

Neither do most coaches.

[ref18]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

Neither do most coaches.

Now that explains why the coach gave me a funny look when after 2 T's were called on his assistant and one on a team member on the bench I asked him to leave

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by ref18

Now that explains why the coach gave me a funny look when after 2 T's were called on his assistant and one on a team member on the bench I asked him to leave

You "asked" him? What if he said "no"? Would you then say "pretty please with sugar on top"? Maybe if you "told" him to leave, his look wouldn't have been so "funny".

[Adam]

Originally posted by ref18

Now that explains why the coach gave me a funny look when after 2 T's were called on his assistant and one on a team member on the bench I asked him to leave

Did Batman have two robins?

[ref18]

Originally posted by Snaqwells

Did Batman have two robins?

I wish he only had 2, there were 4 robins.

[Adam]

Originally posted by ref18

I wish he only had 2, there were 4 robins.

My goodness. A whole flock! At the middle school level?

[Damian]

Last year there was a lot of discussion avout this. That is that once the coach is informed, he is considered bench personnel, but there was a difference between him and non-DQ players. Anyone remember this but me or did I just always have it wrong?