What happens when a fouled out player (on the bench) gets a technical foul? I had this situation last weekend and I'm not quite sure if I handled it correctly...

When a player is disqualified s/he becomes bench personnel. A subsequent T on that player is charged directly to the player and indirectly to the head coach. It's counted as one team foul towards the bonus.....

Okay, so that player now has 6 personnal fouls?

Not that it matters, but yes, they now have 6 personals.
Also, the T is only assessed indirectly to the head coach if the coach has been notified that it was the 5th personal. Once you notify the coach that it is 5 personal fouls, the player is bench personnel. Before that, it is only assigned to the player.

This is an important point.

Thanks. The only times I've had to add a Tech to a personal, the act was commited before I even reported the foul. Chances are, by the time you report it and the table tells you it was 5, the player has already either made it worse or kept himself under control.

Guys - let's not get our terms confused. A technical foul never counts as a personal foul. Yes - it does count toward the five fouls for a DQ, and a lot of score books don't have a way to indicate this properly and you wind up having the scorer list it in the personal area since that is the only way you can tell when the total reaches five, but it is not a personal. Newer books should have the two boxes for technicals in the same place as the five boxes for personals so you can just look at the total only when it reaches five, of course (in reference to another thread).

Some feel you should mark it as a personal also so you make sure it is counted toward the team foul total. I understand this, but if you have a scorekeeper with at least half a brain (and I know this isn't always the case), he or she should be able to keep the terminology straight and not screw up - with a little explanation from you, of course.

Back when I kept the book, I used one slash through the number to signify a foul. If it was a technical, I'd put a T through the number. It seemed to work.

If I were to add my opinion to the design of a scoresheet, I'd also add an area for technicals administered to bench personel. It's probably wishful thinking, but I think it would be able to work. Most scorers don't understand the difference between a direct and indirect T on a coach.

Neither do most coaches. ;)

Now that explains why the coach gave me a funny look when after 2 T's were called on his assistant and one on a team member on the bench I asked him to leave :D

You "asked" him? What if he said "no"? Would you then say "pretty please with sugar on top"? Maybe if you "told" him to leave, his look wouldn't have been so "funny". ;)

Did Batman have two robins?

I wish he only had 2, there were 4 robins.

My goodness. A whole flock! At the middle school level?

I thought a T on a disqualified player was a direct T on the coach...
 

Last year there was a lot of discussion avout this. That is that once the coach is informed, he is considered bench personnel, but there was a difference between him and non-DQ players. Anyone remember this but me or did I just always have it wrong?

Back when I kept the book, I used one slash through the number to signify a foul. If it was a technical, I'd put a T through the number. It seemed to work.

If I were to add my opinion to the design of a scoresheet, I'd also add an area for technicals administered to bench personel. It's probably wishful thinking, but I think it would be able to work. Most scorers don't understand the difference between a direct and indirect T on a coach. [/QUOTE]

The book that my younger brother's team uses has 5 personal fouls to mark off as well as 2 techs. It also has 3 techs for the HC and 3 techs for a "non team member" I guess we would use that for bench personnel. I don't know how anyone but the HC in NFHS could get more than 2 T's.

I am in the habit when I am keeping the book to mark off one of the personals as well as one of the T's. I know that a T is not a personal (although I have had Varsity TASO officials tell some of our bookkeepers that on more then one occasion) however, I don't think it hurts anything and will keep me from making a mistake. If I am one of the officials and they want to mark of a personal and it will help them keep track of the fouls I am not going to argue with them about it. Just my 2 cents.

Worse, a grade 3-4 AAU type game.

A player could easily get three techs in NFHS. Two to get disqualified, and at least one more from the bench if he gets real stupid.

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Damian, I believe the only time a coach is assessed a direct T for the actions of a player is when a DQ'd player participates in the game. This used to be flagrant on the kid and indirect to the coach, but it changed (last year, I think).

As far as a T on a player who just picked up his 5th personal, it's an indirect on the coach, but only if he's already been informed that the player has been DQ'd. This is a dumb interp, in my opinion, but that's the way it is.