Offensive player goes to dunk and misses while holding the rim he reaches back grabs the ball with the other hand and dunks it just as the whislte is going for hanging on the rim.

T

How about this:

T for hanging on the rim, the dunk after is irrelevant (though it sure makes your T look good).

No different than a guy lobing up a shot after the play is dead. You dont want them doing it, but it doesnt get another whistle.

Clark

what about possesson AP

Technical foul and offensive basket interference.

what does that matter? its a T, so you shoot 2 and the opponent gets the ball at the division line opposite. no need to even go to the arrow. am i missing something?

no need to even get to the offensive BI is there? the T made it a dead ball so the basket couldnt have counted anyway, right?

Hanging on the rim made the ball dead. I don't care if the whistle blows after he makes the dunk and lands on the floor. No basket. Technical foul. No other call is necessary here.

but then there is no possession so how do we restart certainly not at center

Huh?
In this sitch, NFHS rules, technical foul, you go opposite table at the division line.

Here is something I have always wondered....

If your not supposed to contact the rim while the ball is in contact with the rim, howcome a dunk is legal??? As you can tell, I am bored today....

Because the BI rule alows for a ball to be carried from outside the cylinder to inside the cylinder.

On the original play:

1) T for hanging on the rim
2) T for dunking with a dead ball
3) T on the coach when you call #2. ;)

Just to complicate things, but what if he had been hanging to prevent injury and had rebounded and dunked the ball in the previously described manner.

No T but BI is called. Case book play 10.3.4SitB(a).

I get it. You wanna be MTD Sr. when you grow up. :D

A true MTD wannabe would have had a reference to at least 1 of the following:

- his attic,
- J Dallas Shirley,
- a vacation he took with the family 8 years ago,
- a brief yet passionate youthful daliance that ended all too soon leaving fond memories of an innocent time filled with sunshine and laughter only to resurface in his declining years with a bitter edge made only sharper by alcohol, disappointment and the sadly pathetic realization that he'll never wear that byron collar again.

A cone of dalliancity? :confused:

A SHAFT of daliancity.

I guess i should have said NCAA rules how do we restart

A true MTD wannabe would have had a reference to at least 1 of the following:

- his attic,
- J Dallas Shirley,
- a vacation he took with the family 8 years ago,
- a brief yet passionate youthful daliance that ended all too soon leaving fond memories of an innocent time filled with sunshine and laughter only to resurface in his declining years with a bitter edge made only sharper by alcohol, disappointment and the sadly pathetic realization that <font color = red>he'll never wear that byron collar again</font>.
[/B][/QUOTE]You mean, he'll never wear that byron color again <b>with</b> his navy-blue culottes, white knee socks and snow-white runners, while riding off into the sunset with his faithful companion, Sancho Preacher, to "T" up disrespectful windmills and slay the mythical Blarge.

Aw geeze, Dan. Made me spit on the screen again. lol

Still no answer to how a restart the game after the T is it AP

Restart after T
 

NFHS: If Technical is called on Team A, Team B shoots 2 for the T and inbounds at half-court, opposite the table. Why the confusion regarding if AP is involved?

ROFLMAO

[hey Grant, this is the part where the senior guys descend into little inside jokes back and forth and the question doesnt actually get discussed any more :)

Yea, those of us that are above these kinds of insults are below the NCAA level, and can't answer the question.

Now that's funny!

Too Clarify,

Grant is referring to NCAA rules not NFHS.

As such

Indirect T then point of interruption, In this scenario no possesion so AP.

10-3-4 A player shall not "Grasp either basket..."

This is not the same as contact. In my much younger days I could dunk, but I have to admit, it hurt my wrists. Dunking is not as glamorous as it appears! I used to contact the rim, but not "grasp" it.

I interpreted the original question to be a "rules" question (a la "stump the ump"), not neccesarily a "how would you really handle this" question.

The NCAA reference is 10-3.12, R2

So the answer to the question...exception does not apply.

NCAA: Rule 10-3-12, A.R. 2; Rule 10-3-13; Rule 10-4 Penalty
1. Indirect T for hanging on the rim.
2. Indirect T for dunking a dead ball.

Penalty: 2 FT's and resume play with AP arrow. (1st T happened while ball in flight after miss of the first dunk attempt therefore status of the ball was not in possession of either team). Rule

FED: Rule 10-3-4: Penalty (all Articles)

1. T for hanging on the rim and dunking a dead ball. Assessed directly to the player.

Comment: FED rules do not split up grasping and dunking into separate Articles as does NCAA therefore I am inclined to only assess 1 T. If otherwise it would require ejection which I believe to be too severe for this case)

Penalty: 2 FT's plus ball for division line throw-in oposite the table.
2 FT's and ball OB at division line opposite the table for the offended team.

Does it make any difference if the dude hangin on the rim is a graduating Senior who was last year's Captain and has been out all season due to an automobile accident and this is the last game and you're in final minute of a 25 point blowout and coach put him in so he could score and break a career scoring record?

I'd be interested to hear how people from the "Protect The Star Player" thread answer this one....

Only if he's wearing 00.

Assuming the book sayz "0". I'd be more concerned if he was wearing "01." Is the official wearing a belt?

Had this same call last night. A1 missed his initial dunk attempt, hung on the rim (no players under him), was able to grap the ball and attempt another dunk (missed second also). My partner (as lead but trailing the play on the transition) calls the "T". The crowd goes nuts (called "T" on home team). We shoot and inbount at half court. Play on. At a time out break, a local camera crew (special high school sports program) came over to ask what happened. When I explained he remarked, "guess that one we can't show then". I remarked, maybe you should and have a rules section on the show to make our life a bit easier.

No belt as it's sub varsity game. Kid should be allowed multiple attempts cause he's in 8th grade and any 8th grader that can hang on the rim and repeat a dunk attempt should be allowed to.

Seriously though, how many of us put the "zebra press" on the team that's up by 30 (sub varsity) just to send the cute little girl to the line that obviously never gets to play and feel proud of ourselves for doing so...it's only after she shoots air balls that land halfway to the hoop and we've embarrassed her that we feel silly. I'll admit to calling "an official's time out" to tie my shoe or check on an injured player (only to find out the "injured player" had no idea what was happening) just to give a coach the opportunity to substitute his "career bench warmers") at the end of a game...one of the very few things you can do and PROBABLY not get booed - MAYBE!

Dittoo,

Make no difference who the dude is. He could have just as easily just layed the ball in the basket.

Think up all the scenarios you want but my answer is still the same.

BTW: Why should I ignore illegal activity just so the player could "feel good"? It would be a whole lot easier if the scorer would just transfer 2 points from another player so he could break the record. That way the player could still "feel good" about breaking the record and I keep my integrity.