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4th grade rec league playoff game(3rd round). The game is late fourth quarter and is a tight game. Emotional game, yet very little complaining from coaches or chirping from parents, which is unusual at this location. I am the lead and call a foul right in front of me on the baseline as A1 goes up for a shot. Simultaneous whistle - my partner comes over and tells me he has 3 seconds before the foul. I ask him if he's sure his call was before the shot. He says it is and we go with the 3 seconds. We explain it and, believe it or not, no complaint from the coach whose player was fouled. Play continues and a few minutes later, a timeout is called.
He is where the action starts. One of the referees in this organization (this is a large facility with multiple courts) comes out onto the floor and starts questioning my partner. As I walk over, I can see the passion of a parent as he begins questioning me as to why I allowed my partner to overrule my foul on the 3 second call. My partner was trying to reason with him, as did I for a brief second, until I came to my senses and told him to get off the court. I have officiated with him in the past and he is not a bad guy, but in my mind was WAY out of line coming onto the floor like this and I told him so as he exited. After the game, when he had cooled down, his perspective on what had occurred changed and he tried to explain that he was just offering advice. I told him, one, we didn't need his advice, two, he did not come across to my partner or I as someone offering advice, but more as an angry parent, and three, he was undermining our authority in a close game. Anyone ever have something like this occur? I actually like the guy and we had a conversation afterwards where he finally realized he was way out of line. My concern in the future would be working with someone who would do something like this to a fellow official. 
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Mon Feb 21, 2005, 11:21am
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Never had one come on the court but at my Son's game last night, I volunteered to keep the book. Sitting at the table, I noticed the person keeping book on the bench for our opponent was a fellow I've seen working JV games. He immediately starts begging for calls. I nicely told him to "come sit next to me at the table because I wasn't going to listen to him beyotch the whole game." I also explained to him that "it's unethical for 1 ref to do that to another." We discussed a couple of the game situations amongst ourselves and afterwards, the 2 officials thanked us for our help. :-)
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Mon Feb 21, 2005, 01:07pm
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I try to learn from even the worst situation. The only thing I questioned myself on in retrospect was the overturn of the foul for the 3 second violation. I did ask my partner if he was certain the violation came before the foul, which he said he was. Yet that was what the official who came on the court was upset with - he stated my foul call came first.
My partner was the referee (2 man) and he clearly had the always-challenging 3 second call down pat, since he was calling it all night. Fortunately it did not impact the outcome, since the team the call went against won anyway. Just wondering if there was anything I could have done differently.
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Mon Feb 21, 2005, 01:30pm
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Now, if you're saying you should have stuck with your foul call instead of giving it up, well that's something you'll have to live with & learn from. Just don't let that yutz who came onto the floor be the basis for your self doubt. He had absolutely no right sticking his nose in *your* game.
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Mon Feb 21, 2005, 01:42pm
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Don't know that I would have told him I "didn't need his advice". I try to always take advice, good and bad, and then decide for myself the merit of the offering. But you run a risk of cutting off a relationship that you may need someday.
Try to discuss the "picture" that was presented by this knucklehead's actions and have him discuss the potential positives and negatives of such a situation. Hopefully, he'll see the negatives far outweighed any potential positives and can offer a "better way" of handling future encounters - he definitely compromised everyone involved and "nothing good" could be expected to come of that. You did the right thing by drawing a firm line with his behavior; but, look for more of a "win-win" situation in the future where everyone involved can feel and want to continue to be involved - you never know when or if you'll need this guy in the future not to mention the positives you're demonstrating that "invites" cooperation and teamwork.
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Mon Feb 21, 2005, 02:00pm
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Mon Feb 21, 2005, 02:44pm
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The conversation is very short. "Get off of my court before I have you removed from the building!"
This gentelman is an offical. He would not allow a fan to come onto the court when he is working nor should you allow it. He is due no explanation.
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Mon Feb 21, 2005, 10:11pm
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Absolutely inexcusable behavior on his part. Helping him understand that may be better served without lambasting him.....just a thought.
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Mon Feb 21, 2005, 10:46pm
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I think you should stare at his pants, then puke on his shoes - just like you would do if he were a coach.
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