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JugglingReferee Wed Feb 16, 2005 03:37pm

There's Michigan, and Michigan State.

There's probably an Oregon State.

There's Savannah State, that went 0-and-whatever this season.

What is the significance of the suffix "State"?

stmaryrams Wed Feb 16, 2005 03:39pm

Please don't forget "The Ohio State University".
State supported, non private schools.

joseph2493 Wed Feb 16, 2005 03:39pm

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Originally posted by JugglingReferee
There's Michigan, and Michigan State.

There's probably an Oregon State.

There's Savannah State, that went 0-and-whatever this season.

What is the significance of the suffix "State"?

From what I understand is if it contains "state" then it is state funded.

JugglingReferee Wed Feb 16, 2005 03:42pm

Ok, so does that mean that Michigan goes not receive any State assistance?

How do they obtain income? Solely tuition and advertising?

It seems to me that the economical thing to do is to attend a State school.

joseph2493 Wed Feb 16, 2005 03:49pm

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Originally posted by JugglingReferee
Ok, so does that mean that Michigan goes not receive any State assistance?

How do they obtain income? Solely tuition and advertising?

It seems to me that the economical thing to do is to attend a State school.

Sometimes it is...Sometimes it is still more "economical" to attend a private university that may get funding from sources such as United Way.

Adam Wed Feb 16, 2005 03:49pm

Michigan and Michigan state are both state schools. As are Iowa and Iowa State. Having "state" in the name is not necessary. Usually the schools that have the name of a state in their name are state schools (Iowa, Iowa State, Northern Iowa). I think it's just a differentiator between state universities.

totalnewbie Wed Feb 16, 2005 03:50pm

Many states have multiple tiers of public universities with each type of school having a different aim and focus.

Generally the universities not bearing the word "State" are the flagship research universities in the particular state. These are the "University of..." schools. These are public schools.

The next tier are the "State" schools with "State" in the name. These are still "universities" in that they are they are aimed at a high level of academia and usually have a graduate school, like a law or medical school or some kind of Masters or Doctoral degree program. These offer university education but are not as competetive from an admission standpoint.

Below that are usually the vocational or technical schools and the smaller "colleges" (as opposed to Universities). Many of these are private. These have more focus curriculums.

Below those are the Community Colleges and JCs. Many of these are private. These are for people who for whatever reason, cant get into the more competitive schools or for other life reasons need more flexible educational situations--a working person who wants more night classes, someone who decided to get serious about school later in life, maybe they want a few specialized classes, etc.

Any of them may be state funded.

For example, in California there are:

1. the best public universities: the "UC" schools: University of California at Los Angeles, UC Berkeley, etc.

2. the State school universities: "California State Fulerton" or Cal State Long Beach.

3. The colleges.

4. The community collegs and JCs.

That is the public university and college system.

It is no reflection on the level of athletics. For example, University of California at Irvine is an excellent University, but their athletics blow.

Clark

BktBallRef Wed Feb 16, 2005 03:58pm

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Originally posted by JugglingReferee
There's Michigan, and Michigan State.

There's probably an Oregon State.

There's Savannah State, that went 0-and-whatever this season.

What is the significance of the suffix "State"?

I believe the practice of referring to a school as State dates back to the 19th century. It was just a term that many state supported schools used in their name.

In NC, there is a University of North Carolina system. All 16 schools in the system are state supported. Many of them use State, such as NC State, Winston-Salem State, Elizabeth City State, and Fayetteville State. Although Carolina is referred to as THE University of North Carolina, it is actually the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. But since it's the first and oldest state supported school in the state (and the country, 1795), the Chapel Hill connotation is not used very often, except when distinguishing it with other school similiarly named in the system.

I bet that's more than you wanted to know. :)

JRutledge Wed Feb 16, 2005 03:59pm

Schools like Michigan, Illinois, Iowa, Illinois State, and Northern Iowa are "state schools." That means they are funded by the state the schools are located in. Not all states are the same, but most have some guidelines of education set by the state government as well. In some cases there might be up to 8-10 or so state schools in one state.

Peace

Mark Padgett Wed Feb 16, 2005 04:00pm

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Originally posted by totalnewbie
It is no reflection on the level of athletics. For example, University of California at Irvine is an excellent University, but their athletics blow.

Clark

I thought anteaters licked.

totalnewbie Wed Feb 16, 2005 04:18pm

:) Yeah, they lick alright.

But again, the phrase "State" is usually applied to the second-tier public university system in a particular state. "U of..." is usually the first-tier, most competitive admissions and most dedication to graduate programs and "[State Name] State..." is usually the second tier of public university in the state with more accomodating admissions standards but still an excellent university.

UNC and NC State are excellent examples.

Clark

Back In The Saddle Wed Feb 16, 2005 04:28pm

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Originally posted by Bush in 2004
Is this the basketball officials forum? How does this relate?
Many of us want to call games for these schools. How's that? :D

Adam Wed Feb 16, 2005 04:28pm

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Originally posted by Bush in 2004
Is this the basketball officials forum? How does this relate?
It's called a diversion. We are allowed. Ask Brad.

SamIAm Wed Feb 16, 2005 04:30pm

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Originally posted by JugglingReferee
There's Michigan, and Michigan State.

There's probably an Oregon State.

There's Savannah State, that went 0-and-whatever this season.

What is the significance of the suffix "State"?

The suffix "State" means nothing. It is only a name.
Some universities have taken the "State" out of their name, but they are still state universities. It was once trendy to call your university "... State University". That is becasue that is the name the board of regents chose. Perhaps state legislatures wanted "State" in the name and to "grease the wheels" of progress, the board of regents agreed. The schools were originally funded and organized via acts of the States.
It now seems trendy to take the "State" out. Where I currently live, the sorry state of Texas, they used to have West Texas State University and East Texas State University. They are now, West Texas A&M University and Texas A&M - Commerce. North Texas State University is now University of North Texas.
Most of these universities have intermural basketball programs and use referees for those programs.

JRutledge Wed Feb 16, 2005 04:35pm

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Originally posted by Bush in 2004
Is this the basketball officials forum? How does this relate?
Michigan and Michigan State played each other recently. :D

Peace

BktBallRef Wed Feb 16, 2005 05:06pm

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Originally posted by Snaqwells
Quote:

Originally posted by Bush in 2004
Is this the basketball officials forum? How does this relate?
It's called a diversion. We are allowed. Ask Brad.

Yeah, you know Brad, don't you Bush?

LarryS Wed Feb 16, 2005 05:17pm

I don't think you can make general statements or assumptions about a school based on their name. Texas Tech University has a fine law school (and medical school I think), but the name implies it is an technical school.

Schools with the States name in it are not necessarily public. I believe the University of Southern Califonia is a private school.

I went to Lamar University...many thought it was private because it did not have "State" in the name...Nope, public university.

About the only thing that seems consistent (from my inexperience) is if the school is named Univ. of (State Name) - (City name) they usually $uck at football :D

JugglingReferee Wed Feb 16, 2005 05:35pm

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Originally posted by JRutledge
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Originally posted by Bush in 2004
Is this the basketball officials forum? How does this relate?
Michigan and Michigan State played each other recently. :D

Peace

There are a few of us in southern Ontario that want to get tickets to a MI/MI State game. Either bb or fb.

Is it true that the crowds at these games are among the finest in the country?

Of course, I'd also like to see a Duke game. My roomie, a large Duke fan, told me that Coach K has a lifetime contract. Talk about writing your own ticket.

Thanks for the replies all. It is exactly what I wanted to know. And I can never know enough extra facts, aka trivia, BktBallRef.

JRutledge Wed Feb 16, 2005 05:44pm

I have never had the opportunity to sit in a Michigan/Michigan State game at either school. If I am not mistaken these schools played in the Big Ten Men's Basketball Tournament last year. I was born in Ann Arbor and have relatives that went to Michigan and Michigan State. I can tell you there is a lot of hate (the clean kind) between the two schools and the fans. It was crazy when UM beat MSU last year in the tournament. I just know these two schools just like to kick each other's behinds in everything. Football, basketball, hockey, field hockey, baseball...... Well you get the idea.

Peace

Mark Padgett Wed Feb 16, 2005 07:06pm

Here in Oregon we have Granola State and Treehugger U. However, my favorite school name is still UATG (University of Arkansas at Tooth Gap).

Sam Houston Institute of Technology and Frankfort University of Central Kentucky are good, also.

Dan_ref Wed Feb 16, 2005 07:52pm

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Originally posted by Bush in 2004
Is this the basketball officials forum? How does this relate?
Here's how it relates sweety:

Many officials attended & even graduated post-high school institutions of learning (colleges and/or universities).

When...errr...if you graduate high school you'll be eligible, until then just let the adults have some fun, OK?


Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:30pm

Being a fan of both Youngstown State University and The Ohio State University, I always get a kick out of a Michigan State University bummper sticker that says: Michigan State, the university of Michigan.

MTD, Sr.

stosh Thu Feb 17, 2005 08:09am

don't forget Rutgers; THE State University of NJ!

Lotto Thu Feb 17, 2005 09:15am

I believe that in the midwest, the schools with "State" in their names were the land grant universities that were founded to teach agricultural and mechanical (engineering) subjects.

dblref Thu Feb 17, 2005 02:26pm

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Originally posted by totalnewbie
:) Yeah, they lick alright.

But again, the phrase "State" is usually applied to the second-tier public university system in a particular state. "U of..." is usually the first-tier, most competitive admissions and most dedication to graduate programs and "[State Name] State..." is usually the second tier of public university in the state with more accomodating admissions standards but still an excellent university.

UNC and NC State are excellent examples.

Clark

I'm going to register a disagreement with you on this point. I grew up in Mississippi and in the state, we have the University of Mississippi (noted for its law school), Mississippi State University (noted for its agricultural school), and the University of Southern Mississippi (noted for its business school and music depart -- and the fact that I graduated there). I don't think of either of the 3 universities being 2nd or 3rd tier.

dblref Thu Feb 17, 2005 02:27pm

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Originally posted by Bush in 2004
Is this the basketball officials forum? How does this relate?
Because they play basketball in all "states".

FrankHtown Thu Feb 17, 2005 02:31pm

I'm a dweeb and researched it also. Lotto is correct. The "State" schools were "land Grant " schools, many of which started as agricultural schools, and this was back in the 50's and 60's...and I mean 1850/1860. I just googled "land grant universities" and there was more info than I cared to see, but there is no truth that the "state" schools are second tier.


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