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assignmentmaker Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:49am

Forgive me if this has been discussed to death before, but, if it has, I missed the funeral.

While a player does not violate when gaining control of the ball while sliding on the floor, what if a player gains control while on his/her feet, two feet, and slides?

Had control been gained on one foot or the other, at the very least a pivot foot has been moved, but, since in the case of a two-footed landing no pivot foot has been declared . . .

Perhaps such sliding is the topological equivalent of jumping up in the air and landing . . . you moved them both, so one of them - just which is moot - must have been the pivot foot.

Here come duh judge . . . now I'm in trouble . . .

BktBallRef Wed Feb 16, 2005 01:25am

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Originally posted by assignmentmaker
Perhaps such sliding is the topological equivalent of jumping up in the air and landing . . . you moved them both, so one of them - just which is moot - must have been the pivot foot.
Exactly.

4-43-1
A player who catches the ball with both feet on the floor, may pivot, using either foot.

Since a player can only move one foot when neither has been established as a pivot, it's traveling to move both.

bigzilla Sat Feb 19, 2005 07:26am

The slide on the floor is covered in the case book, but speaks to being on the stomach or back. What if the player goes to the knees, takes control of the ball, and slides on the knees?

Jurassic Referee Sat Feb 19, 2005 07:51am

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Originally posted by bigzilla
The slide on the floor is covered in the case book, but speaks to being on the stomach or back. What if the player goes to the knees, takes control of the ball, and slides on the knees?
Use the same principles. When they're done sliding, they can't get off their knees--i.e. stand up or lay down. They can shoot, pass or call a TO. That's the spirit and intent of the rule.

mick Sat Feb 19, 2005 08:52am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by bigzilla
The slide on the floor is covered in the case book, but speaks to being on the stomach or back. What if the player goes to the knees, takes control of the ball, and slides on the knees?
Use the same principles. When they're done sliding, they can't get off their knees--i.e. stand up or lay down. They can shoot, pass or call a TO. That's the spirit and intent of the rule.

...or start a dribble. ;)

tjones1 Sat Feb 19, 2005 01:03pm

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Originally posted by bigzilla
The slide on the floor is covered in the case book, but speaks to being on the stomach or back. What if the player goes to the knees, takes control of the ball, and slides on the knees?
4.43.5b

rainmaker Sat Feb 19, 2005 01:36pm

Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:

Originally posted by assignmentmaker
Perhaps such sliding is the topological equivalent of jumping up in the air and landing . . . you moved them both, so one of them - just which is moot - must have been the pivot foot.
Exactly.

4-43-1
A player who catches the ball with both feet on the floor, may pivot, using either foot.

Since a player can only move one foot when neither has been established as a pivot, it's traveling to move both.

All true. But in a ms gym that hasn't been swept for two weeks, leave a little bit of slide room. Maybe 2"-4". Or else, have the home coach drag the floor before the game starts.

Mark Padgett Sat Feb 19, 2005 07:44pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
They can shoot, pass or call a TO.
Repeat after me 100 times:

"REQUEST a timeout"

Jurassic Referee Sat Feb 19, 2005 08:21pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
They can shoot, pass or call a TO.
Repeat after me 100 times:

"REQUEST a timeout"

Works every time. :D


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