it has been i few years since i have played basketball, and i went to my step isters game last night...middle school/highschool level. correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that when a basket is made, and the point is bringing the ball down, the other team cannot cross halfcourt. Then, at the end of the game there is a 2 minute rule where, to prevent a point guard, or anyone else from standing on the other side of halfcourt and dribbling for 2 minutes, the other team can cross over. I am sure that is how it was when I played. We had some very bad refs that i dont think they had ever watched a game of b-ball before. Please send a response quickly as I would like to take it up with the coach.
thanks, krystle

yzrider3,
Sounds vaguely familiar from 40 years ago. (circa 1963)
Now, however, there are no such restrictions on playing defense in the back court, unless it is a local rule of some sort.
The 'very bad refs' you saw may not be old enough to remember the archaic rules of yesteryear.
mick

We have a rule of that sort for our 5/6 grade games! No press until last two minutes of game! Also, no zone defense! This would defeat the purpose, no one would learn anything! I feel it is a good rule and makes the games super easy to call!!

Actually Krystle, I'm afraid that you're that has never watched a game before.

How can you criticize the officials, who will probably officiate 50 to 100 games this year, when you haven't even been to a game in years? There are no such rules. Perhaps you played in some rec league that had these types of rules but they do not exist in a regulation game of basketball.

My advice - better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt. Don't say anything to the coach. i'm quite sure that even he knows the rules better than you. :(

Could be a local rule like mick said. However under NFHS, no such rule.

here they come
 

They are starting to filter in. Playoffs are starting and pretty soon NCAA tourney will be starting.

Thanks Krystle for getting us all off to a good start.

As BBR said, maybe you should pick up the rule book and leave the coach and officials out of it.

umm a little FYI...you dont need to jump up my A**. I assume that you assumed i am ancient? i am 19. it was 3 years ago that i played, highschool varsity i might add, and I played for 8 years straight. Maybee you should keep your mouth shut before you know the whole story. This is 7th/8th grade basket ball. the refs, and coaches are volunteers. tell me...when you are dribbling with your rite hand, switch to your left on a bounce, only one hand at a time on the ball, how is that double dribble? when you are in mid jump, shooting the ball, how can you possibly be pushing someone? these are just a few of the calls made. One of the refs was my age, and i doubt he has reffed even 20 games. Every other call, was different between the 2 refs. they would call a jump ball, then argue as to which side it would go to. you werent there, you did not see this game, so i suggest you shut your mouth. you are the fool. when i said i was ghoin to take it up with the coach, all i ment was I was going to ask him if he had been made aware of this rule. oh ya, another FYI, when I played bb ball in oregon, my High school won state 8 years in a row. I think WE had a fairly decent program. My intention was just to find out if the rule was still in effect. not have someone be a total jerk.

the high school i attended? Crater Highschool.

We do get a lot of people here are come to vent, and we do get kinda tired of it. That's why BBR jumped on you. Also, it appears that your rules were local, but you were assuming they were national rules. That also makes it sound as though you don't know what you were talking about.

Also, there is no high school girls program in "oregon" that has won state 8 years in a row. Oregon City HS has won 9 of the last 12, but not 8 in a row. If you played for OCHS, you'd know the rules better than this.

Just some things to think about.

Crater did not win state 8 years in a row, at least not since you've been alive!

Did they teach any English at Crater High?

for starters
 

If you did go to HS, I suggest that you give them a call and ask if it would be alright if you went back and repeated a few grades. Obviously they did not have a grammar or spelling class at this school.

Be careful what you ask for here. Especially since you are not an official and you are trying to act as though you know more than all of us put together. You may have just jumped off of the deep end. I hope you can swim.

There are people here that have been officiating at the highest levels since before your mommy and daddy even knew each other.

In fact, cruising through the OSAA archive pages, it appears as though Crater has made it to the state tournament about seven or eight years, came in second three times, and has never won state. That goes back to 1976 when OSAA began girls' ball.

Rainmaker---tell me, where did I assume those were national rules? I was just simply asking if it was a rule or not. I wasnt venting. I was just asking a simple question that I thought you people would be able to answer. I have perfectly fine grammer and spelling, I just dont care about my grammer or spelling on a message board because you should be smart enough to understand what I am saying.

Redhouse---where did I say I knew more than you people? Why do you think I posted my question on here? Because I figured that someone on here would obviously know more than me, and they would be adult enough to simply answer it.

Apperantly the only Adult on this site is Mick.'
Anyone bother to explain the other calls I asked about?

She didn't exactly say what they won state in for 8 years. Could have been the sportsmanship award, no? We know it could not have been the spelling bee... ;)

OK, my Bad, I thought they had won state while I was in elementry school and before that. They still went to state, so obviously we weren't that bad. So still...i dont see how i was venting or where I said anything about that rule being national

So when you were playing varsity ball for 8 years in the state championships, after your team made a basket, you weren't allowed to defend past the division line?

I dunno about Oregon, but in Connecticut, going to the state basketball tourney means nothing more than the fact that you had a .400 record - not necessarily a great team.

:rolleyes:

Next!

dumbass i never said i was on varsity for 8 years, or that I went to state for 8 years. And no, after a basket was made, we were not allowed to come across the half ccourt line until the last 2 minutes of the game. wow, smitty understands what I am saying. good job..you got pass a few spelling errors too!!!

In Oregon, the top 16 teams in the state go to the tourney -- well, they used to. Starting last year, it's only the top 8. Which I think sucks.

But yzrider said they went to state 8 years, which they didn't. They only went six times. There were several times when they played in the play-offs but didn't make it to the tourney.

YZ, the reason I said you assumed they were national rules, is that you're asking the question on a national board. We do not address local rules here. You'd have to ask someone local about those.

I CAN tell you for certain that there is no such rule in Oregon at the high school level, and never has been. Your rule is probably a league rule that was for the middle school league you played in when you were that age. They've probably changed the rule since then, which is why your step sisters aren't using it.

As to the other calls, there's absolutely no way we can address them from there. It's almost impossible to say that another ref's call were right or wrong if we weren't there to see the actual play.

In general in middle school ball, you're going to get young officials who haven't learned all the nuances yet. The trick is to give them a chance to improve, just as you would give your step-sisters a chance to improve.

And furthermore, if you say that mick is the only adult on this site, remember, that also excludes you from adulthood.

Playing varsity at Crater High School you were not allowed to come across the division line until the last 2 minutes of the game?

Now, I know you're a TROLL. This is simply not true. And Smitty was being sarcastic...

Ok yzrider3...let's get off basketball rules for a minute...since we don't seem to be helping each other out much.

My son was walking by the puter and spotted your username.

He rides a YZ450F and a YZ250F and wants to know what kind of YZ you ride and if you have ever been to Washougal, WA for the MX races. He is 19 also, and tells me a lot of the young people type and spell like you do on a forum...he says relax, it's not an "English" forum.

Hmmmmm, he must get his attitude from his mother. ;)

That is not necessarily a fact, Jewel.
One must allow for the fact that krystle, somebody's daughter, may have been coached that way and learned that way.
It doesn't make it right according to high school rules, but it does not, by itself, make it untrue.
Coaching methods and knowledge vary.
mick

In Michigan, going to the state basketball tourney means nothing more than the fact that you had a high school team.

Next!

mick -- yea, I know. But her posts imply that she's talking about a rule, not just a coaching strategy.

Of course she's somebody's daughter. What did I say to imply that she wasn't?

Okay, I see, calling her a troll. Why couldn't she be a troll daughter of a troll mother and troll father?

I'll address the points
 

I'm pretty confident that there is no high school varsity anywhere in the US that has this no press rule. Also, the 10 second rule would prevent the dribbler from staying in the backcourt for 2 minutes. I'm sure you saw some playing time, but it's obvious you didn't really focus on the rules at the time. I've never seen a no-press rule at any level above 7th grade; and I've never seen it in any game sanctioned by a scholastic body (school sponsored stuff) at any level. Not to say it doesn't happen in some middle school leagues somewhere, but I'd bet money it doesn't happen in a varsity games.
Now, as for the other two calls you've got.
Dribbler very likely "carried" the ball between dribbles, or that's what the ref thought. You don't have to have two hands on a ball to end your dribble.
As for the shooter, I'd be willing to bet that she pushed off before she jumped, and the ref's whistle was a tad bit late. Did she push before she caught it?
Bottom line, the calls you complain about are easily explained without having seen them. Could they have missed them? Sure. You know what? It's a middle school game. That's where you get your 19 year old refs. He's got to get his first 20 games somewhere.
Now, what do you think the odds are that someone who actually has the guts to grab a whistle and referee a basketball game has seen less basketball than you have? Honestly.

So you played varsity basketball in high school for 8 years. It's a damn shame you didn't learn capitalization, punctuation, and sentence struture during those 8 years.

Bottom line - no high school in America plays under such rules. You must be thinking about your years in pee wee ball, unless you played at a very piss ant HS.

OK well, like I said i was just asking so thankyou for all of your wonderful opinions. rainmaker...thankyou for being civil on this last page...it was much better.

back to mx...
I ride a 2005 yz125. yes i have been to washougal, my b/f and i went there last year for amateur days. i rode women c and had podium in my sight, but due to impatience, i went down in those dang whoops. and thanks for bringing up the spelling. perhaps we shall take conversation else where before we get yelled at for this not being an mx forum. oh yes...i remember y i quit team sports...because they all suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and my parents arent trolls. are yours?

Gotta go with Jurassic Ref on this one.

Which also means that the refs aren't likely the most experienced / best refs you'll ever see. Everyone has to start somewhere.

Quote:

tell me...when you are dribbling with your rite hand, switch to your left on a bounce, only one hand at a time on the ball, how is that double dribble?

If the official judges that the ball came to rest in the player's rite (sic) hand, then it would be a double dribble.

Quote:

when you are in mid jump, shooting the ball, how can you possibly be pushing someone?

At least two possibilities here -- the player "cleared out" a defensive player's hands that were in good position, or the player pushed to get open for the jump shot and the whistle didn't happen until the shot was underway.

Note that I'm not saying that either of these plays happened this way -- only that these could have been correct calls.

Quote:

One of the refs was my age, and i doubt he has reffed even 20 games.

At lease this ref is trying to help out, not just sitting in the stands criticizing.

You seem to like the game -- refereeing is a great way to stay involved.

those are reasonable scenarios. i dont think i would be good at bein a ref (and I am confident the people here would agree) because i do not know all the rules backwards and forwards, and i am not a watcher i am a player. my last year i had to quit due to surgery and i was a scorer to stay with the team....i hated it. i race motocross now...basketball would be played to keep me in shape for racing. a good positve suggestion though. i helped with a vollyball team earlier in the year, and so many of the rules had changed from positions to scoring, to the ball able to hit the net on a serve now, that i would be lost. oh well.

We are planning on doing the MX race at Washougal, WA on March 5th and 6th. Saturday practice...Sunday race.

Oldest Son:
YZ450F...#295
YZ250F...#295

Youngest Son:
YZ250F...#216

How does this relate to BBall?
Hmmmmm, how about this is a time to relax with the boys before the big tournament the next week. ;)

and that was reason enough for him to move out of Connecticut.

:)

Well - that, and the fact that we don't have a Connecticut State. :p

Are you talking $$$$ wise? And yet you attend GWU?

and you guys made fun of my spelling? At least I can spell my state right lol.

:rolleyes: