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Originally posted by QuebecRef87

But I still think, until otherwise proven, that it's not actually a mistake to omit to raise the arm on an OOB violation (under NCAA).

That's fine, you can think whatever you like.

I do know several ncaa mens assignors/evaluators who think otherwise. And as Chuck pointed out the CCA manual has it as a mechanics POE.

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
I didn't think that's what I was talking about, but I guess I could be wrong. . .

I didn't want to put any words in your mouth, if that's what you're thinking ;). It's just that your quoted bad habits sounded like "home-made" signals...

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
It's not a habit, but today for some reason, the words "On the floor!" jumped out of my mouth. I was shocked as soon as I said it. "Where the heck did that come from?" :confused:

And of course, I was being observed :( Observer came into the locker room after the game and I beat him to my own critique. He shook my hand and laughed. "You won't do that again, will you?"

It must be something in the water. I found myself doing this the last 2 weeks. I have been working on this and still catch myself sometimes before I open my mouth.

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

In the 2004-2005 CCA Men's Basketball Officiating Manual, it gives several mechanics POEs. On page 25, under the heading "Signals", it says "Non-standard signals are not to be used. All officials must use the standard signals listed in this manual when calling violations or fouls. . . Using unauthorized signals, lik a "hit to the head," a tip signal on block [sic] shots, not stopping the clock before signaling direction or over-exaggerated blocking foul signals, are prohibited" (emphasis mine).

The problem with this discussion is that before Referee Magazine took over the CCA publication for basketball, they clearly stated that you did not have to raise your hand to call an out of bounds call. Now this year it was emphasized to do so. So for years guys were reading in the Men's CCA book and reading that you did not have to stop the clock in order to make an out of bounds call. You would go to camps and hear people contradicting the book and it would cause some problems. I really do not care either way. I do what I am told to do. I think the folks that produce or authorize the mechanics did not really read their own book. At least it did not look that way.

Peace

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Originally posted by JRutledge
before Referee Magazine took over the CCA publication for basketball, they clearly stated that you did not have to raise your hand to call an out of bounds call.

You're absolutely right (as you already knew! :)) that the old manual said that it was ok not to stop the clock. And the rulebook itself used to say (and it might still say, I'm not sure) that the "stop clock" signal was optional. This is the first year that any publication that I know of has insisted on the stop clock signal.

I had no idea that Referee magazine was the publisher for the CCA manual.

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by JRutledge
before Referee Magazine took over the CCA publication for basketball, they clearly stated that you did not have to raise your hand to call an out of bounds call.

You're absolutely right (as you already knew! :)) that the old manual said that it was ok not to stop the clock. And the rulebook itself used to say (and it might still say, I'm not sure) that the "stop clock" signal was optional. This is the first year that any publication that I know of has insisted on the stop clock signal.

I had no idea that Referee magazine was the publisher for the CCA manual.

Tha's news to me too. But that doesn't mean Referee has editorial control. Does it?

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

I had no idea that Referee magazine was the publisher for the CCA manual.

They took over the Baseball, Football and now Basketball Manuals. They have done the Baseball Manual for a few years now. This is the first year they took over the Football and Basketball publications. It looks a lot better and cleaner if you ask me. Much better signal descriptions and pictures of the floor mechanics in the newer CCA manuals from my standpoint.

Peace

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by QuebecRef87
Correct me if I'm wrong, but under NCAA, omitting to raise the arm on an out-of-bounds violation is not a mistake.

In the 2004-2005 CCA Men's Basketball Officiating Manual, it gives several mechanics POEs. On page 25, under the heading "Signals", it says "Non-standard signals are not to be used. All officials must use the standard signals listed in this manual when calling violations or fouls. . . Using unauthorized signals, lik a "hit to the head," a tip signal on block [sic] shots, not stopping the clock before signaling direction or over-exaggerated blocking foul signals, are prohibited" (emphasis mine).

They are stopping the clock - just doing it with the whistle rather than the hand. :p

CCA can say whatever they want, D-I refs are still just pointing, occasionally giving a "clean block" signal, and demonstratively reporting fouls.