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TriggerMN Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:36pm

Northwestern-Minnesota game tonight, N'Western won 55-53 despite 32 from Vincent Grier.

In the 2nd half, Grier picked up a loose ball, dunked it, and slapped the backboard on the way back down after dunking. Official called a technical for an intentional slap of the backboard.

This happens ALL THE TIME in Division 1, and this is the first time I've ever seen it called. Kudos to the official.

SF Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:38pm

I was at an Illinois basketball game earlier this year and Luther Head dunked and slapped the backboard. The officials called the T.

tjones1 Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:40pm

IMO, something that's long overdue is whacking someone for flopping. I don't know about your area, but it's getting pretty bad around here. I think it would just take one and a lot of this crap would clean up. Then again, I don't have any problem tell him to get up or if the shooter goes down calling a block. Maybe someday!... ;)

JRutledge Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:55pm

I have seen it called a few times when it takes place. I have seen it called a few times in the NBA as well. It really does not happen that often (at least in the games I see).

Peace

bradfordwilkins Thu Feb 10, 2005 01:24am

TJ- Is it a technical foul for flopping under high school rules? For instance, barely any contact and the defender goes flying down? Rule location? I'm not trying to question you, just trying to learn... I think I'd always preface it with a warning if that is the case, but good to know I have it at my disposal.

Thanks

canuckrefguy Thu Feb 10, 2005 02:05am

Backboard slap was called in a Final Four game last year....can't remember which one - but the guy had a ferocious dunk, but he slapped with both hands afterwards - and got tagged immediately.

Jurassic Referee Thu Feb 10, 2005 05:47am

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Originally posted by bradfordwilkins
TJ- Is it a technical foul for flopping under high school rules? For instance, barely any contact and the defender goes flying down? Rule location? I'm not trying to question you, just trying to learn... I think I'd always preface it with a warning if that is the case, but good to know I have it at my disposal.


Rule 10-3-7(f)--"faking being fouled".

Also a POE this year. POE 4B -FLOPPING- on p71 of the NFHS rule book.

Jay R Thu Feb 10, 2005 06:22am

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Originally posted by canuckrefguy
Backboard slap was called in a Final Four game last year....can't remember which one - but the guy had a ferocious dunk, but he slapped with both hands afterwards - and got tagged immediately.
It was Villanueva from UCONN

ChuckElias Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:29am

I disagree that you see the backboard slap after a dunk "all the time". However, I agree that when you do see it, it is almost always penalized. It's an easy call, an obvious call.

The part of the dunk that has gotten away from the officials is the grasping or hanging afterwards. Officials give a lot of leeway to dunkers at the D1 level. I'm not at that level, so it's hard for me to criticize, but in my very humble opinion, it's too much leeway.

Mark Dexter Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:06pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

The part of the dunk that has gotten away from the officials is the grasping or hanging afterwards. Officials give a lot of leeway to dunkers at the D1 level. I'm not at that level, so it's hard for me to criticize, but in my very humble opinion, it's too much leeway.

They seem to catch it in the A-10. Pops had quite a few last year.

rulesmaven Thu Feb 10, 2005 06:52pm

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Originally posted by canuckrefguy
Backboard slap was called in a Final Four game last year....can't remember which one - but the guy had a ferocious dunk, but he slapped with both hands afterwards - and got tagged immediately.
To the extent it matters, it was the regional final. It also wasn't nearly that bad, although it was the right call -- I was 20 feet away. It wasn't two hands. I always wondered if it would have been called if it wasn't a blowout. I bet it would have.

I think it was Randy McCall, who was fun to watch that night. He's great.

canuckrefguy Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:10pm

I was thinking either Final Four or Elite Eight....for some reason, I remember the TV replay showing a slap with both hands - kind of a showboat move - but you were there, so I gather your memory's better than mine!

TriggerMN Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:44am

I saw the T for the backboard slap called again yesterday, I think in a Pac-10 game, but I can't remember for sure.

Today, Rashad McCants for North Carolina dunked the ball with about 4 minutes to go, slapped the backboard, and nothing was called.

It's an easy, obvious call. I wish there was more consistency on this.

lrpalmer3 Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:53am

Just curious...If you would call it on a dunk, would you call it on a lay-up? We smacked glass on lay-ups in high school all the time (because we couldn't dunk).

Snake~eyes Mon Feb 14, 2005 01:31am

And when i read the title I thought this was going to be about a flop, I got excited.

TriggerMN Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:07pm

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Originally posted by lrpalmer3
Just curious...If you would call it on a dunk, would you call it on a lay-up? We smacked glass on lay-ups in high school all the time (because we couldn't dunk).
Not if it's in the act of shooting...

lrpalmer3 Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:09pm

No, plenty of players smack the backboard after releasing the lay-up. T?

w_sohl Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:20pm

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Originally posted by tjones1
IMO, something that's long overdue is whacking someone for flopping. I don't know about your area, but it's getting pretty bad around here. I think it would just take one and a lot of this crap would clean up. Then again, I don't have any problem tell him to get up or if the shooter goes down calling a block. Maybe someday!... ;)
If you want it to stop call a block everytime they flop, wether the shooter goes down or not. I do and it usually stops after the first two. Especially if the shooter hits the shot.

Jurassic Referee Mon Feb 14, 2005 01:18pm

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Originally posted by w_sohl
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Originally posted by tjones1
IMO, something that's long overdue is whacking someone for flopping. I don't know about your area, but it's getting pretty bad around here. I think it would just take one and a lot of this crap would clean up. Then again, I don't have any problem tell him to get up or if the shooter goes down calling a block. Maybe someday!... ;)
If you want it to stop call a block everytime they flop, wether the shooter goes down or not. I do and it usually stops after the first two. Especially if the shooter hits the shot.

Wouldn't it be a lot easier and simpler just to call a "flop" when they flop? Why use another rule in place of the one that applies specifically to the act? Especially when flopping is a FED POE this year? If you call the appropriate flopping "T", they'll stop it a helluva lot quicker imo.

Snake~eyes Mon Feb 14, 2005 03:30pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by w_sohl
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Originally posted by tjones1
IMO, something that's long overdue is whacking someone for flopping. I don't know about your area, but it's getting pretty bad around here. I think it would just take one and a lot of this crap would clean up. Then again, I don't have any problem tell him to get up or if the shooter goes down calling a block. Maybe someday!... ;)
If you want it to stop call a block everytime they flop, wether the shooter goes down or not. I do and it usually stops after the first two. Especially if the shooter hits the shot.

Wouldn't it be a lot easier and simpler just to call a "flop" when they flop? Why use another rule in place of the one that applies specifically to the act? Especially when flopping is a FED POE this year? If you call the appropriate flopping "T", they'll stop it a helluva lot quicker imo.

I agree, that and when we call a block on a player who had a LGP and had he actually be fouled it would have been a PC it makes us look bad. I've seen a situation where they eneded up giving a T to the coach because the player was stationary and a block was called.


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