I need some input from you on how you would handle this:

Girls varsity game, about 5 minutes left. Team A is behind by about 35. Foul called and A1 goes to the line for 2 shots. A2 asks the coach to come out of the game so he sends a sub to the table as a replacement. A1 goes towards the bench and I tell her to stay on the court and we will sub after the first shot (I am trail in a three person crew). As A1 gets ready for the first shot the coach tells A2 something. She walks over and puts her feet on the 3 point line just about (and maybe below) free throw line extended. We ignore it. After the first fouls shot he walks over to me (in the box) and says "That was a violation". I say "You mean, on YOUR player, coach?". He says yes and wants to know why I didn't call it. It finally occurred to me he did this on purpose. Then he tells me that he doesn't care how much they are losing by, we better start calling the game because we haven't called a thing all night. I assessed a technical against him because my opinion was that he was showing up our crew by what he did. I don't have any doubt he was showing us up, but I'm not sure a technical was really warranted here. Our fourth official (waiting for the boys varsity game) said, based on the game circumstances and the score he probably would have ignored it and continued on with the game. I appreciate any thoughts you may have on how to handle this in the future? Also, if you call a T and then question yourself afterward, do you ever tell the coach after the game that you may have blown it? Thanks.

[Edited by johnnyrao on Feb 8th, 2005 at 12:53 AM]

I wouldn't even address the "violation" but I would call the technical on his comment. You have no reason to question yourself.

If anyone doesn't think the coach is trying to show up the crew, I have some swampland in Wisconsin I'm trying to unload.

I'd have told him, "Nice try, but if I have to be here until this game is over, so do you."

Why would you be talking with a coach AFTER the game?

What happened after the T, did he go nuts?

There may be some T's you give that are "marginal." IOW, the coach barely crossed the line. The fact remains that he still got close to the line, and he was looking to take a pot shot at the officials. I might consider letting it slide on this one, but I wouldn't have any second thoughts after calling it. He earned it fair and square.
Look at it like the blatant travel in the 9th grade girls game that you may or may not overlook based on the game. If you pass on it, no big deal; but don't loose sleep over calling it. Your call was the right one here.

I appreciate everyone's response. Actually, after, it was weird. After the T he called a TO and told his book keeper to make sure our names were in his book and told me he was reporting us to the state office. Other than calling TOs he never said another word. Then he had his team foul the other team every time they got the ball for the remainder of the game. He also called all his timeouts so the last quarter lasted longer (in total time) than the other three combined. Not sure why he did that but we officiated to the end and called the fouls, including one intentional, because we did not want to get the players playing too rough and fighting. Then it was senior night and there was a long intermission between games so it made the night even longer.

[Edited by johnnyrao on Feb 8th, 2005 at 07:56 AM]

BZ,

I do not talk to coaches after a game but sometimes you have to pass them on the way out of the gym while they are waiting for the bus and sometimes they try and chat with you. I'm not saying to go and find a coach but if you happen to see him/her on the way out of the gym. Thanks.

amazing, his girls get out-hustled, out-rebounded and out-shot and it's your fault. then he trys to turn the game into a travesty and uses a HS girl to do it. i don't know how far i'd take it but i know i would talk to my assignor.

"Given the game situation, Coach, I didn't want to embarass your player. Are you trying to embarass me?"

That coach is a plain jack a$$ in my book. I think he was looking for a T just to get attention to himself. I kind of like what blindzebra elluded to above. IMO if this coach wants to act that way then he's going to stay and experience this a$$ whopping unless he does the obvious to get tossed. If they're down 35 with little time left and they start deliberately fouling I'm not sure if I'd call fouls or not. I'd likely tell the coach to have his players back off or the game may end early.

Coaching 101, my team is bad, I can't coach, so make a scene about the officiating to distaract from the REAL reason we are losing by 40.

The coach WAS trying to get tossed, and was working on you low key to make you look like the bad guy.;)

[Edited by blindzebra on Feb 8th, 2005 at 11:42 AM]

I agree with both the no call on the violation and the T. Sure sounds like he was trying to show you guys up...and that should get him the seat belt.

You can't be serious. Your job is to call the game and protect the kids. Go ahead and call intentional fouls if you must, but those end-of-game fouls are typically the kind that can end up hurting someone if you don't keep it under control.

Was the conversation about the violation between the two of you? If so, try to calm him down. Remind him that you are trying your best and that doesn't guarantee a perfectly called game. NO violation & NO T! He is testing your resolve! That's all!

If he is acting like a jacka$$ on the sideline...and ranting & raving, then definite T...and the next one might come a little faster if he wanted to persist.

If I heard his comments about "...reporting these guys to the state association...", then he's probably gone! I don't know how the game looked to him. Maybe you missed some calls...maybe you didn't carry on enough small talk with him during the game to keep his views in perspective. The small things are almost MORE important to take care of in a one-sided game.

Had you found a way to handle it differently, maybe nothing would have happened...and no T.

Good answer.

Courtesy/Respect
 

This guy did not deserve the courtesy or respect you afforded him by keeping him in the gym. DUMP HIM!!
I am all for keeping a lot of T's out of the game but when we go out and work as hard as we do and then he takes his insecurities out on us, we have to seek some retribution.
The bad part is that it has to be done in such a way where we look like we have no choice. Catch-22.
Sorry you had to go through that.
You probably handled it the right way but I need therapy after I go through something where we are given no rights or respect whatsoever!!
Sorry to rant!!
AAR

[QUOTE]Originally posted by johnnyrao
[B]The only thing I have done in this situation is to make sure the book has spelled my name correctly. Also to make sure both books match and then I initialed them after the game. That way if one book came up differently later I would know they have been altered.

He wouldn't have been able to say another word to me during the game. This is probably one of my few automatic T's. Iowa has a ratings system where coaches and officials rate each other for each varsity game, and the state association has stated explicitly that any threats regarding ratings warrant an automatic T. I take that to mean any threats of reporting me to anyone (state, assignor, commissioner, new york times, etc) will be the same. He would have been done.

Thanks. Unfortunately, it took me a good 15 minutes to come up with it. :)

There is a Seinfeld episode that applies, just take a big plate of shrimp with you the next time you do a game at that school.:D

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias Quote: Originally posted by Dan_ref Quote: Originally posted by ChuckElias "Given the game situation, Coach, I didn't want to embarass your player. Are you trying to embarass me?" Good answer. Thanks. Unfortunately, it took me a good 15 minutes to come up with it. :)

You could have sent him a letter the next day. ;)

Yeah, he is kinda slow-witted, but that is no reason at all to bring Chuck's size into the discussion!

:p

True. Your right, I wouldn't let it get out of hand. I should have been more specific in saying I wouldn't call the touch fouls. If a defender reaches for a dribbler, makes contact but the dribbler gets by him, I'm not going to call it. If he reaches and holds him then of course I'd call it--intentional.

Chuck,

Thanks. I need to write this stuff down so I can remember it in the future. I think my biggest problem was I did not know what to say to him.

Indy,

I agree but at the moment I couldn't think of a better way to handle it. Thanks to advice from here and experience I can deal with it better next time. In answer to your question he was about 15 feet away from me. I was near the scorer's table and he was in his coaching box. The stands are only on one side of the court so the exchange was between me, him, a couple of his players, and the scorer's table. I think he wanted his scorekeeper to hear it. Not sure if the other coach heard it or not though. Thanks for the input.