Last home game for seniors!

AK ref SE · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 12:45am

I had a coach get really upset with me this weekend!
Senior night for the boys! 4th Quarter games a 40 point game. Coach of winning team has pulled out his starters for almost the entire third quarter. With 3 minutes to go in the game Coach(Winning) puts back in all his seniors! Then next dead ball pulls them out, one at a time(so they could each get applause! Loosing coach(out of town)! Where I live teams have to fly in.
Coach goes bonkers on me, about how I could allow this type of substitution!(by the book it was wrong)!
My question!
When you are reffing a Senior night or what ever you call it! Do you allow for this tyoe of substitution? Or do you go by the book?

AK ref SE!

BktBallRef · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 01:04am

It's a one time thing, let it happen. The game is for the kids. I wouldn't let him do this all night but this is different.

JRutledge · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 03:28am

AK ref SE,

If you know that is what is intended, let is slide. But I had a coach get mad at me on Saturday for trying to bring in subs, one by one, but the game was still in the third quarter, and the game on the line. Both coaches did this back and forth, until the fourth sub, I said "no more." But that was for stradegy, and the coach said to me, "how can you do this, and it is Senior night?"

Brian Watson · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 08:50am

If it is late fourth quarter of a special game you need to let it go. It is time for the kids and their parents to enjoy it for the last time.

I am sure the other coach does similar stuff, my guess he was just hacked at getting waxed this late in the year.

mick · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 09:10am

Which rule would this violate?
mick

Brian Watson · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 09:32am

I assumed he meant a local/State rule, not NFHS.

BktBallRef · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 10:45am

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Originally posted by mick
Which rule would this violate?
mick

It's not that it's a rule violation, it's just that it's a tactic that coaches use to slow down the game or to counter each others moves. If yoy don't put a stop to it, you'll be there all night.I'll usually allow each coach to run a couple of subs in like this but then I put a stop to it.

#8 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 10:52am

Last night A's coach wanted to replace all five seniors at the same time near end of game. The dead ball was a 2 shot foul. A1 missed the second with about 2 mins. left. After a minute and a half still no whistles, sub is still waiting at the table. I blew the whistle told A's coach to please wipe the (imaginary) puddle of water on the floor. The sub came in and everyone was happy! Senior night is for the kids. If it doesn't make a farce of the game, let it go.

Bart Tyson · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 11:13am

I must be missing something here. My understanding of the rule is the sub is required to be at the table before we are ready to put the ball in play. If a coach can time it so he can string in 5 subs, good for him. And if it is boarderline that the sub is at the table in time, like in any other game, i will let the sub in the game. This coach complaining should try to take lessons on coaching instead of whining about subs.

mick · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 11:38am

After 4 to 7 to 10 years of playing for a school, a kid deserves that recognition. His family and peers deserve the opportunity to rise for him and applaud during that last home stand.
How mant drops of sweat? How many sprints? How many practices? How many years?
An average ball player deserves that 5 seconds of "attaboys", even if he sat on the bench his whole career.
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

BktBallRef · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 01:09pm

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Originally posted by Bart Tyson
I must be missing something here. My understanding of the rule is the sub is required to be at the table before we are ready to put the ball in play. If a coach can time it so he can string in 5 subs, good for him. And if it is borderline that the sub is at the table in time, like in any other game, i will let the sub in the game.

You answered your own question. As you said, the rule is the sub is required to be at the table before we are ready to put the ball in play. But as you also said, you're letting him in even when he's not at the table. You don't have to, but you choose to. If you prefer to allow them to string-a-long, that's up to you. We don't.

This is a tactic that coaches use to delay the game and to play cat and mouse with each other. I don't see this tactic used very often but if I do, we handle it. Once that second or third string along sub somes in, I'm going to drop my hand and my partner is going to hand the ball to the thrower before the 4th sub gets completely to the table. Then I politely remind the coach that if he wants his subs to get into the game, he needs to get them to the table in a more timely manner.

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Originally posted by mick

After 4 to 7 to 10 years of playing for a school, a kid deserves that recognition. His family and peers deserve the opportunity to rise for him and applaud during that last home stand.
How mant drops of sweat? How many sprints? How many practices? How many years?
An average ball player deserves that 5 seconds of "attaboys", even if he sat on the bench his whole career.
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

No argument from me.

Gotta love that movie!

rainmaker · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 10:18pm

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Originally posted by mick
After 4 to 7 to 10 years of playing for a school, a kid deserves that recognition.

U.P. where you are, do kids get 10 years of eligibility? Do they use it!?!?!

mick · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 11:05pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker

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Originally posted by mick
After 4 to 7 to 10 years of playing for a school, a kid deserves that recognition.

U.P. where you are, do kids get 10 years of eligibility? Do they use it!?!?!

Jewel,
3rd grade, 4th grade, 5th grade, 6th grade, 7th grade,
8th grade, 9th grade, 10th grade, 11th grade, 12th grade.

Around the 9th grade, the players must choose between the hardwood and the frozen pond.

mick

JRutledge · #14 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 11:20pm

Actually, all subs must be ready at the same time, if they are not, you do not have to let them in the game. You have a right to keep the game moving, period.

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Originally posted by BktBallRef

Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Which rule would this violate?
mick

It's not that it's a rule violation, it's just that it's a tactic that coaches use to slow down the game or to counter each others moves. If yoy don't put a stop to it, you'll be there all night.I'll usually allow each coach to run a couple of subs in like this but then I put a stop to it.

mick · #15 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 21, 2001, 11:32pm

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Originally posted by JRutledge
Actually, all subs must be ready at the same time, if they are not, you do not have to let them in the game. You have a right to keep the game moving, period.

Don't have to let 'em in.
Don't have to tell 'em to wait.
I get to choose.
My kind of rule.
Period.