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eastcoastref Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:49pm

Was wondering if anyone has ever given a technical foul to a coach for staring?

I had a game last week when a coach took a timeout and rather than address his players, he chose to stare me down for almost the entire 30-second timeout. I was very tempted to hit him with a technical for unsportsmanlike conduct, but I chose not to because my partner had already given him one earlier in the game.

He had no assistant coaches and if he was ejected the kids (who were no problem the whole game) wouldn't have had anyone to coach them. Any thoughts?

ChrisSportsFan Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:51pm

maybe coach was just checking you out.


Adam Wed Jan 12, 2005 01:00pm

I had a coach give me the stinky-eye last Friday. I'm thinking through some possible responses, because i can't seem to justify a T here.

Junker Wed Jan 12, 2005 01:03pm

As long as he isn't making a scene and inciting the crowd, I don't think I'd give a T for this. I would be a little more on the lookout for something that I could T however.

ChuckElias Wed Jan 12, 2005 01:34pm

We had a very long discussion of this a while ago. I'll let somebody else do the Google search. (Insert plea to Brad for a search function here. . .)

I firmly believe that this is not a T. You can't T somebody for doing literally nothing.

And BTW, Adam, it's the "skunk eye". ;)

eastcoastref Wed Jan 12, 2005 02:03pm

I don't think staring is "doing nothing." When it's obvious, and everyone in the gym sees it, it seems to me that this can be defined as unsportsmanlike conduct.

I think if I was in this siutation again, I'd T him!

rockyroad Wed Jan 12, 2005 02:12pm

Nope...never T'd a coach for staring. Did have an ***'t coach staring at me once during a full time-out...he turned around pretty quick when I blew him a kiss...

eastcoastref Wed Jan 12, 2005 02:14pm

Blew him a kiss, huh? So then I guess your reaction to coaches acting unprofessionally is to act unprofessionally yourself?

carldog Wed Jan 12, 2005 02:24pm

I've certainly seen NBA refs T up a stare.

rockyroad Wed Jan 12, 2005 02:54pm

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Originally posted by eastcoastref
Blew him a kiss, huh? So then I guess your reaction to coaches acting unprofessionally is to act unprofessionally yourself?
Yasureyoubetcha...got me all figgered out already, don't ya...you should see me when I take my jacket off and throw it out onto the court, or start kicking over chairs...

Jurassic Referee Wed Jan 12, 2005 05:14pm

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Originally posted by rockyroad
Quote:

Originally posted by eastcoastref
Blew him a kiss, huh? So then I guess your reaction to coaches acting unprofessionally is to act unprofessionally yourself?
Yasureyoubetcha...got me all figgered out already, don't ya...you should see me when I take my jacket off and throw it out onto the court, or start kicking over chairs...

5'2" of dynamite!

<font size = -2>And a 1/2" wick.</font>

blindzebra Wed Jan 12, 2005 05:15pm

Quote:

Originally posted by carldog
I've certainly seen NBA refs T up a stare.
"Stop eyeballing me Rasheed!" :D

Rich Wed Jan 12, 2005 05:54pm

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Originally posted by eastcoastref
Blew him a kiss, huh? So then I guess your reaction to coaches acting unprofessionally is to act unprofessionally yourself?
17 posts and he's already passing judgment....

ChuckElias Wed Jan 12, 2005 07:20pm

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Originally posted by eastcoastref
I don't think staring is "doing nothing."
Well, then you'd be incorrect. If a coach is standing with his eyes open and not moving, he's not doing anything (except breathing, I guess). And he's certainly not doing anything to me.

eastcoastref Wed Jan 12, 2005 07:49pm

I guess you have to have more than 1,600 posts on this forum to have a valid opinion about anything.

rainmaker Wed Jan 12, 2005 07:55pm

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Originally posted by eastcoastref
I guess you have to have more than 1,600 posts on this forum to have a valid opinion about anything.
No, but you have to have more than... (let's see how many am I up to now?)...4,000 to express sarcasm or patronizing irony. Get it? (said very patronizingly!)

BktBallRef Wed Jan 12, 2005 07:59pm

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Originally posted by blindzebra
Quote:

Originally posted by carldog
I've certainly seen NBA refs T up a stare.
"Stop eyeballing me Rasheed!" :D

"WHACK! Get out!" - Ronnie Garretson

:D

Rich Wed Jan 12, 2005 08:02pm

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Originally posted by eastcoastref
I guess you have to have more than 1,600 posts on this forum to have a valid opinion about anything.
No, but you don't have to be sanctimonius, either.

BktBallRef Wed Jan 12, 2005 08:02pm

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Originally posted by eastcoastref
I guess you have to have more than 1,600 posts on this forum to have a valid opinion about anything.
No, you just come off as very arrogant when you post something like that when you've been here 4 months and the guy you're popping off to has been here over 4 years.

Loosen up. If you can't have a little fun on the floor, you're probably not enjoying yourself.

thumpferee Wed Jan 12, 2005 08:04pm

Quote:

Originally posted by eastcoastref
Was wondering if anyone has ever given a technical foul to a coach for staring?

I had a game last week when a coach took a timeout and rather than address his players, he chose to stare me down for almost the entire 30-second timeout. I was very tempted to hit him with a technical for unsportsmanlike conduct, but I chose not to because my partner had already given him one earlier in the game.

He had no assistant coaches and if he was ejected the kids (who were no problem the whole game) wouldn't have had anyone to coach them. Any thoughts?

Do I have an eye booger coach?

eastcoastref Wed Jan 12, 2005 08:23pm

I guess that's the problem. I'm out working games, going to the gym to stay and shape and attending 3-4 camps a year while you guys are hammering away at the computer. I guess that's why I'm doing some college ball now after only four years as an official.

johnnyrao Wed Jan 12, 2005 08:27pm

I think that if a coach wants to waste an entire TO staring at me then so be it. He only gets 5 and if he was worht a lick he would provide some guidance to his team. I don't know this specific coach I am talking here in generalities.

QuebecRef87 Wed Jan 12, 2005 08:28pm

I would do the following. And correct me if I'm wrong; I only have 27 posts after all! (wink, wink)

First of all, I'd make sure to let the coach see that his staring is not influencing me and most of all, I would NOT avoid his glance for all the duration of the timeout because he would know that he's making me feel uncomfortable. I'd just try to stay natural and after a while, I'd go see him and ask : "Can I help you with something, coach?"

After that, it would be easy to improvise depending on his answer.

What do you think?

eastcoastref Wed Jan 12, 2005 08:29pm

I like that approach. Maybe that's what I'll try next time.

Jay R Wed Jan 12, 2005 08:41pm

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Originally posted by eastcoastref
I guess that's the problem. I'm out working games, going to the gym to stay and shape and attending 3-4 camps a year while you guys are hammering away at the computer. I guess that's why I'm doing some college ball now after only four years as an official.
If you're such a great official, why did you come here asking about what to do with the stare?

JRutledge Wed Jan 12, 2005 08:47pm

I would stare back and hope he opens his mouth. But I would not call something because of stare. It might not take a lot after that to get a T, but not just for staring.

Peace

BktBallRef Wed Jan 12, 2005 08:48pm

Quote:

Originally posted by eastcoastref
I guess that's the problem. I'm out working games, going to the gym to stay and shape and attending 3-4 camps a year while you guys are hammering away at the computer. I guess that's why I'm doing some college ball now after only four years as an official.
Wow! College ball! You must be a great official after only 4 years! I guess that's why you're here, still trying to decide when to call a T.

NEWSFLASH: Nobody here is impressed. Nobody here gives a $hit.

Jurassic Referee Wed Jan 12, 2005 09:26pm

Quote:

Originally posted by eastcoastref
I guess that's the problem. I'm out working games, going to the gym to stay and shape and attending 3-4 camps a year while you guys are hammering away at the computer. I guess that's why I'm doing some college ball now after only four years as an official.
Hate to have to tell ya this, SuperRef, but there's quite a few regular posters here that work a lot of top level games, stay in shape, go to camps, do some college ball- and still have the time to post here and share their knowledge with everybody. RockyRoad is certainly high on that list. Somehow, I think that you blowing your own horn without really having ever added anything very useful to this site doesn't impress any of them that much- unfortunately. Jmo.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Jan 12th, 2005 at 09:28 PM]

blindzebra Wed Jan 12, 2005 09:45pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:

Originally posted by blindzebra
Quote:

Originally posted by carldog
I've certainly seen NBA refs T up a stare.
"Stop eyeballing me Rasheed!" :D

"WHACK! Get out!" - Ronnie Garretson

:D

Followed by, "Get away from me Steve," to Steve Smith, "He was trying to intimidate me Steve and he's NOT."

Back In The Saddle Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:02pm

I would be tempted to "review the current situation" with my partner. Meet him at mid-court, discuss the foul count, the location of the throw-in, where to eat on the way home. In other words, just plain ignore the coach. If he wants to spend the time out giving my backside the hairy eyeball, so be it. Hopefully he'll give it a miss and go coach his team.

Adam Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:14pm

Quote:

Originally posted by eastcoastref
I guess that's the problem. I'm out working games, going to the gym to stay and shape and attending 3-4 camps a year while you guys are hammering away at the computer. I guess that's why I'm doing some college ball now after only four years as an official.
This is a great defense against the charge of arrogance. :rolleyes:


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