NFHS

When can a shot count on a PC foul?

never in high school...

As far as I know, never in any ruleset.

A1 jumps and releases a shot, B1 hits the ball on its downward flight or while on the rim, after which A1 crashes into B2 who is positioned for the charge.

Yes, but even then, the shot doesn't count; it doesn't even go in. We're awarding points for a violation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in this situation, the ball becomes dead when B1 hits the ball on its downward flight and any contact thereafter which is not deemed intentional or flagrant is ignored.

Case Book 4.19.6 Situation C :Both a & b. a) If the player control foul happens before the violation,penalize the player control foul, and since the foul occured before the violation, the ball becomes dead immediately, and ignore the violation. If the violation happens before the player control foul, award points for the violation, AND charge the player with a player control foul.

I think I got that right.......

I believe the Airborne shooter concept says otherwise.

Nope. The PC foul is still called.

Let's say the airborne shooter makes the shot and then crashes into B1. The ball is dead but the PC foul is still a foul.

So, we can Never say Never?

Okay.
What about this sequence?

1. A1. Jumps and shoots.
2. A1 shoves B1 as he lands on him. Intentional foul.
3. Ball goes in the hoop.

I know we have two free throws for B1, with the ball OOB at the spot. However. Does the shot count?

In NFHS, penalize the fouls/violations in the order in which they occur. There is only one situation where a basket would count on a PC foul, which I hope was proven by case play 4.19.6. I would find it hard to call an intentional foul on an airborn shooter, unless it was blatant. Otherwise, PC foul on A1. No basket!

The case play does not show a basket being counted. It shows two points being awarded due to a violation. You still don't have a basket counted on a PC foul.

In the scorebook, those points are awarded to the player who shot the ball. Just as good as counting the basket in practice...even if it is not exactly the same in theory.

As a correction to this, the points are awarded to the team and credited to the player.

Also, the basket does not count - these are awarded points due to a violation.

If it's not a PC foul (that is, it's an intentional or flagrant personal foul or a technical foul, rather than a common foul), then the basket counts.

Sorry, but NO WAY! In fact, the very case play that you cite, 4.19.6 Situation C, continues on to state, "A defensive-goaltending or basket-interference violation committed prior to a player-control foul does not contradict the general statement that when a player-control foul occurs that player cannot score. In the case of a defensive violation, it is the violation which results in awarding the score."

Can we stop this silliness now?
Since you also posted this EXACT SAME QUESTION back on Nov. 27, 2004 citing the SAME case play and were told that the points are AWARDED way back then by Tony.
http://www.officialforum.com/thread/16648

[Edited by Nevadaref on Jan 5th, 2005 at 07:03 AM]

This is strange, but TRUE.
As Bob says it is because this foul is not a COMMON foul and the definition of a player-control foul in 4-19-6 says, "a player-control foul is a common foul..."

Also there is Case Book play 4.19.6 situation D:
"Is it possible for airborne shooter A1 to commit a foul which would not be player control? RULING: Yes. The airborne shooter could be charged with an intentional or flagrant personal foul or with a technical foul."