Who's working them? And how many games? It is 6:20am on Monday here and I am up and running (slow) :). My first game is at 8am and we get our other assignments later on today. If you are working, good luck and have some fun! Also, be careful traveling to your Tourneys!!!

T Jones

Tues - Boys JV - one game
Wed - Girls JV - one game
Thurs - Girls JV - two games

I worked one in IL on Thursday last week. Had the 10:30AM game, second of the day, boys' varsity. Felt strange working a game so early in the day. Anything earlier than 7:30-8PM feels strange, though.

No tourneys this week, but a nonconference girls' varsity tomorrow night and a boys' nonconference varsity Thursday night.

Got 6 Christmas tourney games: 1 Mon., 2 Tue., 1 Wed., 2 Thurs. Will be the most games I've had in that amount of time in a while. On my double days, the start times are at least 5 hours apart so I'll have plenty of time to shower and relax between games.

Had one today, two Tuesday (different tourney) and a trophy game on Thursday. That's all.

I probably could have done more, but my son comes home from Japan on Tues. eve, and we're having Christmas on Wed. so I decided to sit out that day!

Are they in the millitary?

3 different tourneys - 9 games

12/16 - GV/BV DBLHDR - 1st Round
12/18 - Boys Championship Game

12/21 - GV/BV DBLHDR - Semi's

12/27 - BV/BV DBLHDR - 1st Round (I'm beat!)
12/29 - GV/BV DBLHDR - Toilet Bowl (consolation games for last place but hey, it's basketball!)

Plus two other regular season doubleheaders during that time. That's about a $600, two week span. :)

Two tonight anf two Wednesday night. Both nights a girls varsity followed by a boys varsity. Should be fun.

I have the following -

GV - Wednesday Night (7:30)
BV - Thursday Night (5:30)

Early morning games are fun
 

this year I asked for early morning 9AM games for both days of our local Cmas Tourney.

The kids are usually half asleep, but they actually play good basketball. Must go to show that the kids play better when they are not all hyped up with a big crowd and an entire day to get "ready for the big game"

Thanks
David

Working the State Farm Classic 64 boys and girls teams! http://www.theclassic.org/

Just two games Wednesday the 29th at noon. BV.

Just got off the phone with the assignor, I got 2 JV girls games tomorrow. YAY!!!:D

THAT looks like a lotta fun! What kind of games are you getting, Ken?

Boys Varsity this afternoon. Team from Brattleboro, VT came down to MA to play one of our local teams. Not really a tournament, just a chance for out-of-area teams to meet our teams.

Great game. Double OT. Brattleboro hits a jumper at the buzzer of regulation to send it to OT. Local team hits a 3 just before the buzzer to send it to a second OT.

1st half, Team A running their halfcourt offense, kid running a cut through the paint. Defender quite calmly throws his elbow right into the cutter's chest. Right in front of me. Dumb.

A1 is fouled by B1 and A1 falls to the floor. I'm trail and play is right in front of me. I call the foul. As B1 walks past A1 (who is on the floor), B1 gives A1 a moderate kick. Didn't stomp on him, just swung out his foot in frustration. T for that one.

Early in first OT, had an intentional personal on breakaway lay-up when the defender just grabbed the shooter's shoulders from behind and pulled him down. Really dumb.

Later, B2 fouls A2. A2 immediately turns and A2 and B2 exchange forearms to the chest. Double T. The T is A2's fifth foul. A6 subs for A2 and shoots the FTs for the personal foul with no one along the lane. We go to the arrow and give the ball to B at midcourt.

Local team wins and as I'm walking off the court Brattleboro kid says to me, "Oh, by the way, you're a terrible ref." I said, "Excuse me?" He was stupid enough to say it again. "I said, you're a terrible ref." I went to the table and told the scorers to record a technical foul on 33. Then went to his coach and quickly told him what his kid said. I don't know if anything will come of it, but the coach seemed like a decent guy, so maybe the kid will sit a bit.

A lot of interesting stuff, and a very challenging HS game. I enjoyed the heck out of it. Had a good partner, too. Really had to use those game management skills.

The kid got to you Mr. Scrooge.

I assume you're asking me if my son, Clinton, who came home today, is in the military. Well, as I told a military recruiter who called when Clinton was 18, "He's diabetic, he's Quaker, and he's gay." Does that answer your question!?

Watched the local news last night to see if my game got a mention. It did. But part of the mention was that the Brattleboro jumper to tie it at the end of regulation was actually a 3 to win, but we only scored it as a 2 to tie. Now I have to go to the station and see if they have tape of the game. . . If it really was a 3, I'm gonna be pissed. Shot was taken from the Lead's corner (I was trail). Partner put up an arm after it went in, but never gave a touchdown signal, so I didn't give the signal either. I'm standing right next to the Brattleboro coach, who immediately says "Was it a 3? It was a 3!" After the time expired (less than a second), partner tells me he didn't get a good look at it. I told him I thought he stepped across the line, but I obviously didn't have a great look. So we gave 2. I'm gonna be ripped if we missed it.

You think so? I thought my response was actually pretty reserved. I didn't respond to him at all. But I'm not going to accept that kind of crap, regardless of the age of the kid or the game situation. Especially since he was stupid enough to say it to me twice.

All up to the coach
 

I agree that if you let him get away with it now he will do it again and again. If the coach is any kind of a coach, he will also want to know because he will know that somewhere down the road it will catch up to him and his team.

I think a lot of times the kids think the game is over, there is no recourse for the official, I can do what I want. I think you did a good thing by reporting the comments.

Of course with a game that was completely full of "great sportsmanship" it does make you wonder about the coaches though.

Thanks
David

Yeah I do. You stopped to ask him to repeat it, didn't you? Instead of heading off the floor. The way I read it he was stupid enough to say it to you once.

Then he was :sarcasm on: polite enough :sarcasm off: to answer your question honestly.

No, honestly, I didn't. I was heading off the floor and the kid came from outside the 3-point line to the endline to give me his evaluation. I never broke stride. Just changed direction (toward the table) after I realized he'd said what I thought he'd said.

Nope. He was stupid to say it once. Twice as stupid to say it twice.

Hey, potato/potahto. I didn't think I could let it go.

I worked 4 BV games on Monday and 2 GV games last night. Unfortunately, I was only doing the clock. I'm on "injured reserve" until 4 Jan. Screwed my knee up and could not do any tourney games. The good thing is I got paid for last night's games. The other 4 were part of our annual Christmas tourney and the officials donate their time for the games, clock, scoring, and as site managers. We use the $$$ for scholarships.

Excuse me?

That's clever.

But you did ask him to repeat it, didn't you?

Yes. Mostly b/c I really thought I must not have heard him correctly. He was so polite about it. "Oh, by the way. . ." I was not trying to bait him. And even if he hadn't repeated it, if I'd fully understood him the first time, I think I still would have reported the T. I don't think I should be expected to accept crap like that -- of a personal nature ("you're terrible") -- from some stupid punk kid just b/c he thinks the game's over and I can't do anything about it.

Are we talking about the same stupid, punk kid that made a three at the buzzer in regulation that was incorrectly called a two? :D

No, and I haven't seen the tape yet, so I'm not actually conceding that it was a 3. . .

No worries, Chuck. I happen to agree with you that the kid's lack of respect and poor sportsmanship is clearly wrong; no matter what call you and your partner may or may not have blown.
You didn't do it on purpose. You are out there running your a$$ off and trying to do it right, and may have made a mistake.
On the other hand, he didn't try to behave correctly and just make a mistake. He tried to exhibit bad behavior.

Do let us know though about the 2 or 3 when you see the tape.

I'm curious!

If I'm not mistaken, you mentioned your P as the L through up his hand to indicate it was a 3 attempt. If the ball goes in, why was it not a 3?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in a previous thread, it was said the L should never signal a made 3.(3-man) So wouldn't it have been your responsibility to signal the touchdown being the T?

He put his hand up after the ball went in, almost like he was going to stop the clock. I didn't know what he had.

I disagreed with that opinion. My opinion is that if you signal the attempt, you signal the successful goal. And that's how it's taught here, so my partner would not have withheld the touchdown signal if he had a good 3. Since he didn't give the signal, I didn't mirror it.

I left a message at the TV station, but haven't heard back from them about seeing the tape.

This was a 2-whistle game, umpferee, unless I'm mistaken.

If he didn't put his hand up until after the shot, he could've been signalling the end of the quarter since he was the new trail.

But if the ball was in his corner and this was such a crucial shot, he fell down on his main responsibility. This was an enormous mistake on Chuck's partner's part -- he needed to be SURE.

--Rich

[Edited by Rich Fronheiser on Dec 31st, 2004 at 10:42 AM]

Never, I disagree. I would say however that it is very very rare and is probably only going to happen on a bang-bang break away.

BTW: Everything around here turned out well. Good tourney and great basketball! There were a few problems (one punch and one coach ejection) but I wasn't working those games. Like I said, overall, things went really well! I'm ready for next year!!! Three days of 9am-10pm (or later) basketball...hard to beat!

our games went well also. i was lucky enough to work multiple games in 3 different tourneys and in the BV tourn, we had the 4th and 7th seeds playing for the big trophy. Almost every game went down to the wire. Very exciting.

THAT looks like a lotta fun! What kind of games are you getting, Ken? [/B][/QUOTE]

I worked on the girls side. It was my second year working this tournament. It is a blast! Great basketball!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChuckElias

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I left a message at the TV station, but haven't heard back from them about seeing the tape.

Heard anything yet?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stan

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Originally posted by ChuckElias Quote: I left a message at the TV station, but haven't heard back from them about seeing the tape. Heard anything yet?

Not yet. Next step is to go to the station tomorrow.

Was this a two whistle game Chuck?

Yep.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChuckElias

Quote:

Originally posted by Stan Quote: Originally posted by ChuckElias Quote: I left a message at the TV station, but haven't heard back from them about seeing the tape. Heard anything yet? Not yet. Next step is to go to the station tomorrow.

Well?

I'm in the same boat as you Chris, awaiting Chuck's reply! :)

Stopped in at the station today. The telecast from last Tuesday has already been erased. So I left a message for the Sports Director to see if they had the raw game footage left over. He hasn't called me back yet. I called last week, right after the game was played, and left a similar message, but apparently the guy who's voice mail I got was on vacation until two days ago.

I'm not hopeful. I should've done this first, but only thought of it today: see if the local team has a game tape.

Good luck with that, Chuck - I've tried before but with no success.