I had someone ask me this today.

A1 attempts a 3-point shot. B1 contests the shot and then walks off the floor after it is released but before it goes in. The shot is good. The officials waved the shot off because B1 left the floor. I don't know who they gave the ball to.

I'm sure this is not the right way to handle this. I'll give you guys (and s) a chance to respond then I'll post the answer I gave.

[Edited by gostars on Dec 19th, 2004 at 06:03 PM]

I can't comment on this play because I don't understand what happened. Can you clarify?

A1 shoots, B1 walks off the floor before the shot goes in. (but after it is released) Officials canceled the shot because B1 left the floor.

I left the word floor off the original post. I will edited the first post to fix that.


[Edited by gostars on Dec 19th, 2004 at 06:05 PM]

I still don't get it.

Did they call B1 for a technical foul or something for leaving the floor unauthorized?

You are leaving a lot of info out here. Help us out so we can help you out.

Z

Now I am confused.
 

Waived off the basket because B1 left the floor? What for? :confused:

You still need to clarify what happen. That does not make any sense.

Peace

No tech was called. Basket was waved off. A was given the ball OOB.

Why?

Well, I'll give this a try. Provided you are talking about NFHS basketball, or at least a game being played in North America I would suggest this:

The shot by A1 is counted, give them 3. This is irrelevant to what B1 did. Since B1 left the court unauthorized you could indeed assess a T foul (it doesn't matter if he left before or after the basket scored). Thus team A would shoot two T's (etc.). This is by the book

Depending upon the age/level of players and the venue (HS, travel, rec),a ref may want to decide whether he saw B1 "leave the court" For example, if it was a young rec player, or middle school, or any other especially clueless individual, and he quickly stepped back on the court after his error, I would probably let it go. Team B would be inbounding the ball after the hoop and all focus would be on that. Of course, then you may have the after-effect of a B player running on the court seeing only 4 players, and the mess continues...

One thing for sure; Waving off A1's basket and giving the ball back to team A is a very unique way to administer this play. Perhaps it's time for a rules review.

Are you making this up?

No I'm not making this up. This actually happened in a V-Girls tournament this weekend. I didn't see it but someone told me about it and ask me what should have been done. I would really like to hear the conversation with the coach. I was told their reason was since B1 left the floor before the shot was no good due to B having four players on the floor. Since he won 70-27 and right after the play in question his team hit two more threes, he was probably not that upset.

I would have counted the basket and called a T on B1 for leaving the floor.

I thought having 4 players on the floor was legal??

As long as the ball has left the shooter's hands, no foul by B can cancel the shot.

Now, I'm interested in the NCAA mens ruling on this, because isn't leaving the floor a violation ??

If this really happened, to quote my former soccer players, "that guy was really wacked!" This was a huge mistake regardless of the score.

I know this is so weird. When I was first told of this I thought What on earth!!! But, yes this really happened in a Varsity tournament. I wish I could mess up that bad and still get varsity games. :)

I was told that B1 left the court to spit in a trashcan. I also heard that some of the players were doing this (walking off the floor to spit in a trashcan in the middle of the game) all weekend and none of the officials (or coaches) had a problem with it.


[Edited by gostars on Dec 19th, 2004 at 11:47 PM]

This happened on planet earth, right?

PS. With all of the spitting in a trash can in a gym, are your sure these guys really weren't wrestlers in basketball uniforms. (Proud father of a spitting wrestler here!)

[Edited by refnrev on Dec 19th, 2004 at 11:55 PM]

Yep. V-G Tourney in East Texas.

Well, that might explain it. You're talking to an East Texas native (Daingerfield, praise God.)that's been transplanted to the Midwest. Some might argue that East Texas is a little more like heaven than earth!

My question is who told you, and how do they know? It sounds like the last transmission in that old game of "telephone". There may have been some important facts left out of the telling.

I dont no if i understand it but i guess in F.I.B.A that would be the wrong call if a player is injuredfrom the defensive team unless he is injured in the middle of play or if he leaves the court it would just be play on until the next time the ball goes dead.

It's a violation when the player leaves voluntarily, returns, and is the first person to touch the ball.

On the original play -- it's a correctable error. (Okay -- it's not, but since I kicked it on the other thread, I thought I'd try it here.)

I don't think so. The person I talked to was one of the players from team A. I know they were taping all the games, and I'll see if I can get my hands on the tape.

Wrong ruling
 

You would not penalize the offense in this situation by canceling the basket. No way.

What idiot coach is going to let his players stand around out of bounds so they can spit in a trash can? No wonder they lost by 43 points.

I checked with the person who kept the visiting scorebook and she said that it really happened.

By the way, that was the close game.

Can't we just say no foul would cancel the shot? [NFHS]

Hmmm, cancel the shot and no T. If I'm a coach, I'm gonna have one player designated as my "step oob" player. Every time the other team shoots, he's gonna step oob and cancel the shot. As long as we get the first basket of the game, we'll be unbeatable.