Should I of nailed him for this? During live action Team B has the ball. B1 is dribbling and starts to drive and he thinks he's fouled --but he wasn't. B1 then pulls back out beyond the 3-point arc and turns and looks at me "Come ref, didn't you not see that?!" Keep in mind this was an 8th grade game. To T or not to T that is the question? :)

T Jones

As a Capo in the Youngstown Mafia: WHACK HIM!!!

MTD, Sr.

BTW: I did not do anything, just let play continue.

Bamm!!!
 

Junior High game, T.

Peace

You done good

Yep. Teach the kids a lesson at an early age.

Years ago I was doing a freshman game and dinged a lippy kid in the first quarter. He continued to be a spoiled brat for most of the game, and with about 2 minutes to go in a close game, somebody on the other team sort of got frustrated and bounced the ball down hard on the ground, but caught it again. Lippy turned to me and lavishly started insisting I give a T by signaling with his hands. Therefore, I granted the kid's team a time-out which I knew they didn't have. 2 free throws for the other team and an unfortunate loss for Lippy. Lesson taught.

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I would let it continue also, but I would let him know the next opportunity that it would not continue or happen again.

Jr. High its pretty easy to let the kids know your point of view. Either that or I let the coach know so he can handle it, (but that's only if I know the coach will)

So I agree with your decision.

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David

Once or twice when players get like this I've said, "If you want to trade shirts, you can ref and I"ll play. But your coach will not be happy to have me!" Sometimes, it works.

Whack the little rat. That is a T every time, it's automatic.

8th grade brat? Whack him. And when he says "What the hell was that for?" your partner should whack him again.

Looking back I know I should of. Because a foul was called and he made some comment (I was giving the throws). And before I gave the ball to him I walked up to him and stopped signed him. It didn't happen again that's for sure. So I probably should have, but I did stop sign him during a dead ball and it didn't happen again.

If only he and I heard the comment I may have done what you did. Depends on circumsatances of the game etc. If he made a spectacle of himself Tee him.

Good point about only asking the coach to handle it if you know that they will. It has been my experience that a lot of coaches won't. As a recent example, I was doing a Jr High boys game a few weeks ago and after I called a foul on a certain player he looked at me and said "whatever" in a really snotty tone. I told him I didn't want to hear from him again. Few trips down the floor later, I whistled him for a travel. He again said whatever, and added "that was a crap call." I then issued him the T. Coach asked me what he said, I told him, he walked away. Coach removes the player from the game and tells him as he is sitting down, "I don't think you did anything wrong." Thanks coach.

That T was definitely earned and that coach is a jerk. Next question: Can we T a coach for that kind of remark?

I don't believe so, unfortunately. He was addressing his player and it wasn't a remark that would incite. It just proved him to be what he is.

I'd say it depends on how loud the coach says it. If he says it loud enough for just his player and you to hear it, he's just making a point and I'd simply chalk it up to his attitude and brace myself for a lack of cooperation.
If, however, he says it loud enough for the gym to hear it, I'd be tempted to whack him since he's now trying to show you up.

In this instance, the coach was talking directly to the player. The only reason I heard it is that I was near his bench heading down the court at the time. Although I felt that he didn't do the kid any favors by telling him that, I didn't see any reason to T him up or even acknowledge the comment. Goes back to what we have all said to coaches at one time or another, I'll officiate and you coach. I wasn't going to tell him how to coach his players. I will note that once the kid in question returned to the game he never said a word to me or my partner for the remainder of the contest. Maybe he did learn something after all.

I think you have to T the coach. What if your partner made a call and he sat him on the bench and told him that. I know I'd ring him up without question for trying to stand up my partner. Why should it be any different if it's directly towards you?

Our HS has a prima donna coach's son who's lippy. He plays 3 sports and mouths off in every one of them. Officials are hesitant to address the behavior because they don't want to lose games. Silly me T'ed him up in a basketball game 2 years ago and haven't had a call from the AD since. It's because it wasn't taken care of at an earlier age that he's such a terror now.

Whack the little beggar.

A good official once told me that once you T a coach or player, (metaphorically speaking) put your fingers in your ears for 30 seconds or so. After that, if there are things said that warrant a second T, then give it.

Seems to me that the first T did the job. Would T'ing the coach have made the game better?

I agree with the last post. I would have made sure I took care of the kid, but then give the coach a little bit to blow of steam, unless he REALLY goes off.