National Federation only. Indirect "T" on coach. Clarification Please
Four (4) subs from each team come off the bench during a fight and join in the fight. The coach for each team is given two(2) indirect "T"'s. one for subs leaving the bench (no matter what the number) and one for those same subs fighting. Am I correct?

No, you're not correct.

The coaches are each given 4 indirect Ts (and ejected) -- one for each player who leaves the bench and particpates.

Not exactly
 

10-4-4 states that, " only one technical foul penalty is administered regardless of the number of offenders. The one foul is also charged indirectly to the head coach". Through this and discussions, I think that there is only one indirect T to the coach, regardless of how many players leave the bench.

ART. 4 . . . Leave the confines of the bench during a fight or when a fight may break out.

NOTE: The head coach may enter the court only if beckoned by an official.

PENALTY: (Art. 4) Flagrant foul, disqualification of individual offender, but only one technical-foul penalty is administered regardless of the number of offenders. This one foul is also charged indirectly to the head coach. If the head coach is an offender, an additional flagrant technical foul is charged directly to the coach and penalized. When a simultaneous technical foul(s) by opponents occurs, the free throws are not awarded when the penalties offset.

Hope this helps.

Re: Not exactly
 

Exactly. Bob was right. R10-4-4 only relates to bench players who come on the court but <b>don't</b> fight. Bench players that come on the court <b>and</b> fight are covered in rule 10-4-1(h) instead. The penalty for that rule states "If the offender is bench personnel, <b>each foul is also charged indirectly to the head coach</b>.

And if you don't wanna believe that, you can also take a look at the "Summary of Penalties for All Fouls" at the end of Rule 10. Particularly check out 8b(2)- "The head coach is assessed one indirect technical foul for each bench player participating in the fight".

now lets expand to the aftermath.......BRAIN CANDY!

Q1. How many FT's get shot, if any?

Q2. Whose ball will it be upon resumption of play?

Q3. Who gets to coach the team(s) after the fight?

Q4. Does the "new" coach get seatbleted for the remainder of the contest?

Q5. Do we need to submit an incident report?

Q6. Do officials bear any responsibility as it relates to any legal issues (to be read as risk of being sued)?


Post game reflections to ask yourself...

A. Did you employ any preventative measures when it was noticed that things were heating up prior to the fight (i.e. tightening up on the rough play, calling intentional fouls, or any techs)? Assuming this was not a spontaneous act.

B. Did you act as a "number taker" or a "separator" and are you confident that all of the participants were properly identified?

C. Is there a video tape of the game?

D. Do you submit a report to the State office or just let it go figuring the A.D. will deal with it?

This rule, just goes to show you how convoluted the rules have become. Just thinking about the different combinations that can occur from this rule makes my brain hurt, or maybe it hurts because I have been sitting on it too long.

MTD, Sr.

See the case book for 10.4.4 Sit C. Seems to me this case should more properly be written as a situation under 10.4.1, as the example has the subs participating in the fight.

Re: Yes exactly!
 

Read the rule again. It says "leave the bench." The subs in the play left the bench and FOUGHT. Since they fought, it's an indirect for EACH of them. 10-4-1h applies, not 10-4-4.

Q1. How many FT's get shot, if any?

If more technicals are called on one team than the other, then you shoot two FTs for each foul differential.

Q2. Whose ball will it be upon resumption of play?

AP, unless there's a foul differential.

Q3. Who gets to coach the team(s) after the fight?

Asst. coach.

Q4. Does the "new" coach get seatbleted for the remainder of the contest?

Of course. Did bench personnel receive a T? Yes. Then the privilege is lost for the rest of the game, no matter who's coaching.

Q5. Do we need to submit an incident report?

Depends upon your state/local policy.

Q6. Do officials bear any responsibility as it relates to any legal issues (to be read as risk of being sued)?

Gimme a break.