I have never seen it called. But tonight I had a varsity tournament game and the visiting team had a player that got called for a 10 second violation on the FT.

Now the kid for some reason after getting the ball would look completely away from the basket (as if he was upset at something) and slowly bounced the ball while facing the basket. Then he looked like he was going to shoot the ball, and then went back to bouncing the ball. I was the Trail in a 3 person crew and I was hearing a couple of rumblings with the opposing coach. "That is about 12 seconds, you should have a violation." Then I heard some other people in the stands saying just about the same thing. Then my partner called it. I could not believe it. I do not blame him or suggest that he should not have. The kid was just wasting time and took up way too much time. We talked about it afterwards and we were just laughing about it. The same kid did the exact same thing on another FT and I was under the impression that him facing away from the basket the first time, he was responding to a player that was in the vicinity of the circle. But this kid did this with the game on the line and a very close margin (I believe 2 points at the time). The game ended up to be a one point game. I just had never actually seen that before in person.

I just thought I would share.

Peace

I've seen a couple of HS kids that have some pretty long, elaborate routines, but looking away is a new one. :rolleyes: I would have had a hard time not laughing right there.

Just curious what the consensus was with your crew when you talked about it after the game. Was the consensus that a warning would have been better (you said he did it another time, was that prior?)? Did he shoot another FT after the violation? Did he shoot quicker the next time?

Z

He did not waste as much time the next FT (violation on the first of two). We seemed to all agree with the call. The coach did not say a word. It was so obvious it was funny. I used to think there was not a situation to ever call it, until I saw that. I know my partner gave him more time to shoot. The kid just took way too long.

Peace

JRut,
I don't watch a lot of NBA but,
remember Karl Malone taking his time shooting FT's?

I don't remember if the officials actually ever got him...but the crowd would count out loud every time he went to the line to shoot.
It seems to me they got to about 13 or 14 before he would shoot it.

Other VERY rare situations....
 

As I read the thread title, I thought... Hmmm, I bet that is a 10-second count on a
FT. Sure enough, it was. I have seen it called once.

In the same vein, has anyone called (or observed a partner call) the other in the
book but rarely called violations or fouls. One example, a T for flopping.

Another thought... Does NBA have a 10-second FT rule?

Sounds like the call is about as rare as a one-point safety in football.

It would have to happen in that football-crazy Lone Star State.

Okay, you brought it up so if this thread veers off topic, it's not my fault! So please explain the one-point safety.

I know an official who has called both a true multiple foul and the false double foul described in 4.19.8 Sit A (only it was a try, not a tap). What is more bizarre is that I saw him make both calls in person! I was watching the multiple foul from the front row of the stands and was his partner for the second call.

JR If he got it off in time the second time, then the first one in which a violation was called was worth it. In the case of a throw in when the team with the ball is not ready, placing the ball on the floor usually causes them to be ready the next time.

Juulie,
If during a try for the extra point after a touchdown, what would usually be a safety is only scored as 1 pt, in this one situation only...and it is very rare...there is a discussion about it on the football board right now though..

I have actually called this in a V-girls game, but I waited ontil I got to a count of about 15 before it was obvious the the throw wasn't going to happen in the next couple of seconds either.

Ironically this was the same game I called a T for two girls on the same team holding hands to prevent a defensive player from getting to a rebound.

I had not called either of these calls before or since.

Later I felt the need to apologize to my partner for putting s**t into the game.

Because it recently HAPPENNED in the University of Texas vs. Texas A&M game

IF I was your partner, there would not be a need to apologize on either call. You would have had my full support in both calls.

Good Calls
 

I don't see a reason to apologize for either call. You saw it, you called it. Good job.

Its complicated but I will try to explain it.

Okay Team A just scores a tocuhdown and is now lining up for the extra point aka PAT.

Team A kicks the ball but it is blocked, Team B trys to pick the ball up but it goes into the endzone, team B then jumps on the ball. You now give one point to A.

How we determine that is that if the ball becomes dead in your own endzone only two things can occur, saftey or a touchback. How we determine which one it is is by who forced the ball into the endzone.

In the above example, team B forced the ball into their own endzone and landed on it, saftey. Since it was on an extrapoint it is worth one point. Had team A forced it into the endzone and B jumped on it the extra point would be no good.

Hope that makes sense.

[Edited by Snake~eyes on Nov 28th, 2004 at 08:14 PM]

Yes it does. Thanks!

Snake-eyes,
Thanks. That confirms my suspicions (in spite of the announcers' obviously ill-informed analysis at the time) that the call was that the ball had touched a defensive player prior to entering the end zone. So, my next question is this, if the offense had landed on the ball instead of the defense, would it have been a two-point conversion?

As usual, the announcers don't know jack. ;)

Anytime A legally gets posession of a live ball in B's endzone its a touchdown(or in this case two points).

Actually, I have seen this happen a few times and have called it a few times just last season. Perhaps it was a POE for our local associations or something, I cannot recall.

The 10-sec FT rule is clearly stated and it is a mechanic we are supposed to be practicing on every FT. Granted, most players do not take the full 10-sec but as an official you should be counting and calling the violation if/when it occurs.

When I hear guys say "...after about 12 seconds the coach and/or the fans started grumbling" I begin to wonder what other rules do they arbitrarily (sp) enforce? You wouldn't let your inbound count reach 7 seconds or your backcourt count reach 12 seconds or three seconds run to 6 seconds, would you?

You would not need to apologize to me if I'm on your crew thinking your bringing s**t into the game but you better be prepared to explain to me why you passed on it (especially when SO obvious as in this sitch) and come clean with any other rules you choose not to enforce.

To the announcers' credit, they did give a full explanation at the end of the game. Being an Aggie, it didn't make me feel any better.

The game had a couple of unusual plays. Unfortunately for A&M fans, the outcome wasn't unusual.

Figures, I was at Scheel's trying to get a pair of Reebok's patent leather shoes, "The Ref." Unfortunately, they were out of my size.

Anyone know where I can find them on line?