Easy...if the official is "on the ball".

7 seconds left.
White taps ball toward Blue, ball rolls toward wall...clock keeps running...6, 5, 4, 3, tweet!
Delay warning to White.
Blue has ball for Spot Throw-in w/ 3 seconds left and up by 5.

This is a no right answer situation, but calling the T was wrong.

My opinion, you have two teams playing heads up basketball.
B is smart to use the time, A was smart for trying to force the throw in.

The count should have started on B, as the ball was available for a throw in. When A contacted the ball and it was no longer available, you have to stop the clock and warn for delay.

B gets some time off and A forces the throw in, so both teams get partially rewarded for heads up play.

[Edited by blindzebra on Nov 18th, 2004 at 01:12 PM]

I don't think so could be wrong.

See 9.2.11 CMT

9.2.11 comment.

Although, I don't think it really applies to this play as it was described.

The act of touching by A was not an attempt to force a warning, they were trying to make B throw it in.

That's for a reach and hitting the ball out of the throwers hand.

I think you are seeing this wrong BushRef. The ball was not pushed or touched to prevent or hinder the inbounding team from inbounding. The inbounder chose not to catch or pick-up the ball that was at their disposal.

For example, a made basket bounces out to the freethrow line. A defender rolls or bounces the ball toward the inbounder. The inbounder choses not to catch or pick-up the ball and lets it roll until it hits a wall or stops. You don't whack the defender for that action.

Could be a T (If unsporting) proper call is a warning for delay. Give ball back (hand it to the team throwing it in this time) to original team. Seven second left in the game defensive team has gained an advatage (odds highly stacked against them I admit) because you did stop the clock with the T. Incidently I might "hold my whistle" and get it down to 3 seconds before I called the violation.

I'm late getting in on this one...

When the thrower could have had the ball OOB for the throwin, I start my count. If I get to 5 before the clock expires I'll call a throwin violation.

If that ball was OOB and at the feet of the thrower, I'll definitely have a count going. If the defense then reaches across the line and touches the ball, it will be a T.

Riddle me this why would you call a Technical Foul? Assuming of course no warning for delay has previously been given and defensive team has not reached across the plane and touched the ball?

The ball was ALREADY at B's disposal BEFORE A contacted it, and the 5 second count SHOULD have already started.

The rules provide for the throw in to begin if the throwing team CAN pick up the ball and throw it in, but are delaying.

The official should have started a count on B, the touching by A at that point would be a delay, but I don't think it falls under the 9.2.11 play, because A's intent was not to cause a stoppage for a delay warning.

The defending team is losing. It's to their advantage to stop the clock. I fail to see how the defending team (if losing) is gaining an advantage by preventing the team that is winning from inbounding the ball.

That's what I said in my first post. The only one doing the wrong thing in this play was the official that called the T on the throwing team.

You have B rightfully delaying to run the clock, you have A attempting to get the ball to B, but they are not hitting it into a corner or breaking the plane to purposely delay.

You have two teams playing heads up ball.

We have a rule that supports starting the count.

We have rule support for calling a delay and a non-warned T for delay.

What seems the fairest based on game situation and the intent of the players is to start the count, have some time come off and warn, but not T, A for delay and get it done.

Because A has touched the ball away from B's disposal, if you continue the count to a 5 second violation, I guarantee A will be shooting 2 FTs after B's coach gets the T.

Yes, you have rules support and would not be wrong in giving A a T, but I think a warning is more appropriate in this situation.

What based on B's stalling did A truely gain in this situation? A is down 5 with 7 seconds left, we have 3 possible outcomes:

1) B stalls down to 1 or 2 seconds and whistle violation, A's ball, still down 5. 1a) You ignore A's touch and keep counting to the violation and you have to whack B's coach.

2) You call the T on A for an unwarned delay, B shoots 2 gets ball at division line up 5,6, or 7 with 3 or 4 seconds left.

3) You start your count on B, blow your whistle on the touch by A and warn, B's ball up 5 with 3 or 4 seconds left with the end line to run.

1 and 1a benefit A.

2 benefits B and the penalty based on the intent, as discribed, seems harsh.

3 does not hurt either team, the only difference is B can't take the running clock down to 1 or 2 seconds. A gained a couple of seconds life, and B keeps the ball and the end line run. Seems very fair based on this situation.