I hear coaches and parents hollaring "OVER THE BACK" at the local childrens league. I know there is no "over the back" but where did this originate? Was there a foul before called over the back?

Also, when they say "reaching" is that considered handcheck?

Thanks

Because some time ago, some official probaly blew his whistle, walked over to the scorers table and said "White 17 Over the Back"

And reaching could be all kinds of stuff, a block, push ect ect.

The terms "over the back" and "reaching" were first coined by the NAOPACWHNCOTROB. This stands for "National Association Of Parents And Coaches Who Have No Concept Of The Rules Of Basketball". Every parent and every coach belong to this organization.

Either that, or they originated in France.

WOW! Very well said!! LOL

I can't believe there's not an "F" word in there somewhere. You know, the National Association of French Parents and Coaches. . .

I know you guys don't think much of the French, but even they don't stoop this low... do they?

I think you are a closet FRENCH dressing lover. :D

"Over the back" is a reasonable description of the common rebound foul. Unfortunately, becasue it's sometimes a foul, some have come to believe that it's aways a foul.

That doesn't follow logically -- but some parents / fans / coaches (and, yes, officials) don't have much logic.

(It's the same with "reach" -- being a reasonable description of illegal use of hands).

Last time I checked it wasn't a foul to be "over the back" it was a foul to be on the back.

Good point. Except that Bob didn't say it was a foul to be "over the back". He said that's a "reasonable description" of some rebounding fouls.

True, but when a foul does occur in this situation, it is most likely going to be either a push or illegal use of the hands, depending on the nature of the illegal contact.

Where everything else comes from: THE NBA!!!!! Even though the refs call it a "Loose Ball Foul", the announcers say "Player A1, over the back!" NFHS, I normally call a push if it occurs, but you can't penalize players because their height gene kicked in before someone else.

Yes, and everybody here -- including Bob -- knows that. IAABO_ref was quick to jump on Bob b/c he misunderstood what Bob was saying. Nobody's saying that "over the back" is a foul. And that's why I replied to IAABO_ref.