boys hs varsity Scrimmage game

A1 inbounding on the side(front court), even with the rim! Reaches ball across the plane where B1 swats up at the ball, since it is legal, the ball actually comes out of A1's hands over B1's head and goes into A1's basket!!!!!

Someone please give me something????
Basket counts for team A, 2 points or 3 points
no basket because it came from out of bounds....

Since team B hit it would it be considered a try at an opponents basket eventhough it was out of bounds and if you awarded any points it would have to be just 2! Can i even award these points!!

Count two points for ball legally going through the basket, but not qualifying as a "try". :)

I agree with Mick. The ball touch someone in bounds (B1 swatting the ball). The ball flight was not a try, since it went of B1. Count two points. I hope you would chop the clock when the ball left the hands of A1.

What if B1 throws a long pass (behind the 3 pt. line) to B2 and the ball goes in the basket...it is not a try in the officials judgement...

I got 3 pts!

Mick can you clarify:

[/QUOTE]Count two points for ball legally going through the basket, but not qualifying as a "try". :)[/QUOTE]

If the basket still counts then is this just a clarification for the scorer to not award the points to anyone specifically but still count the basket?

Rule 5-2-1 says to count three points on a "...try, tap, or thrown ball..."

Rule 4-40 defines tap and try as attempts to score. I don't think you could count what happened in your game as attempts to score. It doesn't sound like it could be a throw, but there doesn't seem to be a definition for "throw". It sounds more like a "bat".

By strictly interpreting the rules, it sounds like two points. In the case of the long pass that RookieDude suggests, it seems like I could call that a throw.

Rick

If B1 throws the ball to B2 and the ball goes in A's basket, it's 2. If B's basket, it's 3. i think.

Count two points for ball legally going through the basket, but not qualifying as a "try". :)[/QUOTE]

If the basket still counts then is this just a clarification for the scorer to not award the points to anyone specifically but still count the basket? [/QUOTE]

It counts as two points because it touched someone inbounds then went into the basket. It's not a "try", because you cannot have a "try" at an opponent's basket. This means if B1 was fouled as he batted the ball, it is not a shooting foul, in fact - the ball would be dead and the basket would not count.

Also - by NF rules - no player gets credit for the points. They are listed as a footnote on the scoresheet.

Yes, rainmaker, you are right...I should have been more clear. B1 was throwing to B2 in their frontcourt...ball goes in B's basket.
3 pts.

True. Not relevant to the situation in this thread, but true.

thanks for the help in this situation..
 

i did just count 2 pts. and told score keeper give the points as team pts.. not to a particular player..

if this is any indication on what is to come, then it's going to be a heck of a season.. :)

Re: thanks for the help in this situation..
 

You did it right. See 5-2-1 and 5-2-3 for NFHS rules support.

Interesting point here. When does the clock start on this play? When it's touched by the inbounds player? When the ball leaves the inbounder's hand?

How about the case where the inbounder holds the ball through the plane and the defender ties him up? Should the clock start in that sitch?

1)legally touched by in-bounds player.

1)Clock starts on legal touching by in-bounds player. Stops on whistle for held ball. Happy chopping. Be quick. Btw, on this play, if this was an AP throw-in by A1, who would get the arrow now?

Assuming there was an initial direction already set, and since there is no violation, the alternating possession throw-in ends when the throw-in ends. The throw-in ends when the ball was touched by the player who was inbounds. Therefore, change the arrow to B and make sure the table knows to change the arrow.

I believe the team who inbounded the ball would get another throwin
 

I don't have my rule book or case book with me, but I seem to remember talking about this in one of our association meetings. If the held ball occurs simultaneously with the touching, we have a held ball. Possession arrow does not change. Go with AP throw-in, which means the same team gets the ball. I could be wrong though. Its happened before, but don't tell my wife!

Geez, I agree in the held ball case. I was referring to the initial play when the ball was swatted into the basket.

Re: I believe the team who inbounded the ball would get another throwin
 

You ain't wrong. Held ball isn't a violation and doesn't end the throw-in. Case book play 6.4.5SitB.

And I won't tell your wife. :D

So clock starts when?
 

A1 is the thrower. A1 holds ball across the OOB plane. B1 touches the ball. Does clock start? I think not.

A1 pulls ball back to the OOB side of the plane and continues his throw-in. OOB violation? Clock running? I think not.

Throw-in continues until ball is released and touches a player in bounds... and then the clock starts and the possesion arrow should change too.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. And JR nearly always has a casebook play.... found some support: casebook 5.9.4 :D

[Edited by DownTownTonyBrown on Nov 16th, 2004 at 02:36 PM]

so when B1 knocks it out of A1's hands and into the air and it goes into the basket, when does the clock start..since it hasn't touched anyone in bounds yet and goes thru the hoop..

Read the case Tony cited. It will give the answer.