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Nevadaref Mon Nov 15, 2004 08:38am

Anyone have something written by the NFHS saying that the gray shirts either are or are not allowed?
According to the minutes of the April 17-20, 2004 meeting the committee took no action on a proposed rule change that would permit the gray shirts. I'm wondering if something recently has been put out.

[Edited by Nevadaref on Nov 15th, 2004 at 08:41 AM]

Ref_ Fred Mon Nov 15, 2004 09:11am

Grey Shirts
 
I officiate for two organizations, One with traditional white/black stripes and the other grey. I would perfer one or the other.

Rich Mon Nov 15, 2004 09:14am

Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Anyone have something written by the NFHS saying that the gray shirts either are or are not allowed?
According to the minutes of the April 17-20, 2004 meeting the committee took no action on a proposed rule change that would permit the gray shirts. I'm wondering if something recently has been put out.

[Edited by Nevadaref on Nov 15th, 2004 at 08:41 AM]

Regardless of the NFHS position, it's up to the states to decide what its officials will wear.

BktBallRef Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:12am

The official NFHS uniform is in the rule book. States may choose to go a different route but the NFHS has not approved gray shirts.

imaref Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:39am

Wisconsin currently does not allow it!
 
I was lobbying WIAA to allow "option" as long as crews were consistant. The state chose not to allow the option citing several reasons. (Most were weak, IMHO). Added expense, look too much like NBA, many officials prefer the traditional B&W look.....on and on.

I will tell you that my partner and I have worn the Gray Shirt for scrimmages (in season), and during summer AAU ball as well as high school all-star games during the off season.

Hopefully, Wisconsin will ok the change sooner than later! Many coaches and spectators have mentioned they like the look and ironically have stated that the officials are "less noticeable" and fosters a less confrontational persona. I would agree....we seem to be better received when in our "grays" vs. the B&Ws. Don't ask me why....test it for yourselves.....you decide.

wl

IAABO_Ref Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:17pm

Here in Maine some boards allow grey as an option some that grey is the primary shirt color and some that don’t allow it at all. But come tournament time grey is the only color you’ll see officials wearing.

imaref Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:23pm

IAABO_Ref perspective!
 
Good approach in Maine! Wish Wisconsin would be a leader at the state association level, rather than a follower. Look, other sports have gone to alternate shirts....why not basketball?

Peace....wl

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:59pm

Currently, the NF only allows gray on top of the head.

Snake~eyes Mon Nov 15, 2004 01:11pm

Re: IAABO_Ref perspective!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by imaref
Look, other sports have gone to alternate shirts....why not basketball?
They have?

Jurassic Referee Mon Nov 15, 2004 01:12pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Currently, the NF only allows gray on top of the head.
That means that Dan will have to spray-paint the top of his head. It's currently skin-covered.

rainmaker Mon Nov 15, 2004 02:13pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Currently, the NF only allows gray on top of the head.
That means that Dan will have to spray-paint the top of his head. It's currently skin-covered.

He said allow, not required. It it was required, some of us youngsters would also be in trouble.

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 15, 2004 03:34pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Currently, the NF only allows gray on top of the head.
That means that Dan will have to spray-paint the top of his head. It's currently skin-covered.

He said allow, not required. It it was required, some of us youngsters would also be in trouble.

And who exactly would that be, Juulie? ;)

JRutledge Mon Nov 15, 2004 03:38pm

Re: IAABO_Ref perspective!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by imaref
Good approach in Maine! Wish Wisconsin would be a leader at the state association level, rather than a follower. Look, other sports have gone to alternate shirts....why not basketball?

Peace....wl

And what sports might that be?


Peace

som44 Mon Nov 15, 2004 03:40pm

Up here in New Hampshire we can use either--just both officials need to be wearing the same. This started last year

imaref Mon Nov 15, 2004 04:17pm

alternate shirts
 
soccer....baseball and/or softball....

Snake~eyes Mon Nov 15, 2004 04:40pm

Re: alternate shirts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by imaref
soccer....baseball and/or softball....
Soccer and I think baseball have not gone to alternate shirts, the have always had them. The reason being is so that their shirts do not match the color of any of the players shirts. This is why soccer has them atleast, I'm not sure about baseball but I'm sure its the same idea. I know Rut does baseball so he can comment if its the same as soccer.

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 15, 2004 05:43pm

Re: Re: alternate shirts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Quote:

Originally posted by imaref
soccer....baseball and/or softball....
Soccer and I think baseball have not gone to alternate shirts, the have always had them. The reason being is so that their shirts do not match the color of any of the players shirts. This is why soccer has them atleast, I'm not sure about baseball but I'm sure its the same idea. I know Rut does baseball so he can comment if its the same as soccer.

Soccer??? What's that? Oh yeah - it's that game for kids who can't use their hands. I think they play it in Europe, or some other foreign planet.

bob jenkins Mon Nov 15, 2004 05:49pm

Re: Re: alternate shirts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Quote:

Originally posted by imaref
soccer....baseball and/or softball....
Soccer and I think baseball have not gone to alternate shirts, the have always had them. The reason being is so that their shirts do not match the color of any of the players shirts. This is why soccer has them atleast, I'm not sure about baseball but I'm sure its the same idea. I know Rut does baseball so he can comment if its the same as soccer.

I'm pretty sure that baseball "requires" the navy blue shirt.

Sure, some states might allow another color, and some officials wear another color, but the FED official uniform requires the navy.


rainmaker Mon Nov 15, 2004 05:50pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Currently, the NF only allows gray on top of the head.
That means that Dan will have to spray-paint the top of his head. It's currently skin-covered.

He said allow, not required. It it was required, some of us youngsters would also be in trouble.

And who exactly would that be, Juulie? ;)

I've been trying for years to go gray. Can't for the life of me figure out how. Although if being gray on top were one of the requirements for reffing, I'd at least have a better excuse than I do for not moving up.

BTW, what's the difference between gray with an 'a' and grey with an 'e'? This isn't a riddle or joke, it's an honest question.

imaref Mon Nov 15, 2004 06:17pm

going gray....???
 
I could only wish. My hair never had a chance to turn gray.....it all fell out before it had a chance!

Hey....bald is beautiful!


Mark Padgett Mon Nov 15, 2004 06:29pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Currently, the NF only allows gray on top of the head.
That means that Dan will have to spray-paint the top of his head. It's currently skin-covered.

He said allow, not required. It it was required, some of us youngsters would also be in trouble.

And who exactly would that be, Juulie? ;)

I've been trying for years to go gray. Can't for the life of me figure out how. Although if being gray on top were one of the requirements for reffing, I'd at least have a better excuse than I do for not moving up.

BTW, what's the difference between gray with an 'a' and grey with an 'e'? This isn't a riddle or joke, it's an honest question.

Juulie - I think you should go blonde. It would look really cool with your fishnets. ;)

As to the difference between "gray" and "grey" - Webster says the "e-y" spelling is British, although certainly they have become almost interchangable.

BTW - the "Webster" to which I refer is not Emmanual Lewis.

Matt S. Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:34am

Mandatory in Montana
 
We went with an optional grey last year, the Montana HS Association is making the grey shirt mandatory beginning in 2006-7...

And tonight at my local meeting one of our guys comes in with a catalog with grey shirts w/ red/blue insets like the NBA-what'll they make next...purple?!

Nevadaref Tue Nov 16, 2004 01:42am

Re: Re: alternate shirts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Quote:

Originally posted by imaref
soccer....baseball and/or softball....
Soccer and I think baseball have not gone to alternate shirts, the have always had them. The reason being is so that their shirts do not match the color of any of the players shirts. This is why soccer has them atleast, I'm not sure about baseball but I'm sure its the same idea. I know Rut does baseball so he can comment if its the same as soccer.

Soccer referees used to wear black and the teams were not allowed to wear black. There was a big push a few years ago by many teams which wished to wear black. A change was made to allow this. This change is what required the officials to carry at least 3 colors. You couldn't have just two because what if one team showed up in black and the other team was wearing your alternate shirt! Currently NFHS soccer officials have gold, red, black, and blue shirts.

dblref Tue Nov 16, 2004 06:50am

Re: Re: IAABO_Ref perspective!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Quote:

Originally posted by imaref
Look, other sports have gone to alternate shirts....why not basketball?
They have?

Yep. It's rare in this area to see a soccer offical wearing the traditional black body/white collar/white sleeve trim shirt. I haven't officated soccer for 3 years, but I used to wear the fuscia(?), yellow, and gray shirts. Didn't matter which as long as the crew was the same.


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