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ROMANO Sat Nov 13, 2004 04:50pm

HEY
I was wondering, since I'm a mannager of the first AND1 offical store in Israel
i'm "forced" to watch the AND1 Mixtapes videos and i see the refrees there and so many violations in the games that they ignoring and i wondered how can they let so many violations not to be call??
and who are the refrees in the and 1 games?
are the officals also in the NCAA or NBA?


[Edited by ROMANO on Nov 13th, 2004 at 05:19 PM]

Love2ref4Ever Sat Nov 13, 2004 05:06pm

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I have worked those games before and you are told prior to the games what to call and what not to call. Your basicly just picking up a check. Those games are entertainment and what we call violations are entertainment to the And 1 fans!

ROMANO Sat Nov 13, 2004 05:29pm

i really think they ruining the reputation of official refs around the world.
who gave them the insructions
what to call and what no to call?

BktBallRef Sat Nov 13, 2004 05:31pm

No, they aren't ruining the reputation of officials. This is simply a street version of organized basketball. It is nothing like HS or college basketball in the US.

Mark Padgett Sat Nov 13, 2004 05:37pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ROMANO
HEY
i see the refrees there and so many violations in the games that they ignoring and i wondered how can they let so many violations not to be call??
[Edited by ROMANO on Nov 13th, 2004 at 05:19 PM]

Are you sure you're not just watching NBA tapes? ;)

ROMANO Sat Nov 13, 2004 05:38pm

I think it's not easy to be one of the officals in the AND1 game because if i see something that i know i most call i will call it.
i can't ignore for example if i see some player kick the ball like in football game.. i will give him in the same sec' a nice T foul..

BktBallRef Sat Nov 13, 2004 06:42pm

Never seen the Harlem Globetrotters, have you?

zebraman Sat Nov 13, 2004 10:09pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Never seen the Harlem Globetrotters, have you?
Or professional wrestling.

Z

Love2ref4Ever Sun Nov 14, 2004 07:44am

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Officiating is one craft where you must be adaptable, I don't care what league at what level you may work. If your supervisor tells you to call this and pass on that,you will do so if you want to continue to work that league. Sure And 1 games are not for everyone, but it may be for some. The bottom line is: When in Rome, you do what the Romans do!

ROMANO Sun Nov 14, 2004 08:42am

Romano, rome, romans.. you are right
but who are the officials in the games?
are they professionals from the NBA?

BktBallRef Sun Nov 14, 2004 09:18am

No, they are not. There just amateur officials that are contracted to do the games.

stripes Sun Nov 14, 2004 02:54pm

I have been told by every assignor I work for how they want games called. What's the difference?

Jurassic Referee Sun Nov 14, 2004 02:58pm

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Originally posted by stripes
I have been told by every assignor I work for how they want games called. What's the difference?
How many assigners have told you NOT to call travelling, palming, double-dribbles, taunting, swinging on the rim, etc, etc.

AND1 games are simply entertainment, like the Trotters, and are usually officiated that way.

ROMANO Sun Nov 14, 2004 05:49pm

i agree with you Jurassic Referee
but what is a assignor ?

BktBallRef Sun Nov 14, 2004 05:59pm

An ASSIGNOR ASSIGNS games to officials.

Mark Padgett Sun Nov 14, 2004 07:45pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
An ASSIGNOR ASSIGNS games to officials.
And....if you don't like your schedule, you usually put the accent on the first syllable.

roadking Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:55pm

i donated some time last weekend and one game was a 4th grade girls game.(clocked stopped on all whistles)it was kinda tough to call, i probably called a handful of the obvious travels ( the walking down the court)but i bet there was a hundred travels we didnt call that game(we just smiled alot)and what i understand there actually starting organized tourney bball for 1st graders (wow). kinda off the subject alittle but i think i would have to hold the and 1 players accountable to uphold the rules. seems were seeing alot of high schoolers doing the same tricks these guys are doing and cant understand why there being called for violations.

Love2ref4Ever Mon Nov 15, 2004 09:54am

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An assignor is a man or woman who decides a basketball officials fate!

ChrisSportsFan Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:03am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by stripes
I have been told by every assignor I work for how they want games called. What's the difference?
How many assigners have told you NOT to call travelling, palming, double-dribbles, taunting, swinging on the rim, etc, etc.

AND1 games are simply entertainment, like the Trotters, and are usually officiated that way.

Those guys are for entertainment ONLY and should not be taken seriously. Some of the stuff they do is amazing but it's all don to fill the seats and sell the videos. Those promoters are getting really phat and I'm sure their big name players are well taken care of.

Does anyone know what they pay those refs?

stripes Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:57pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by stripes
I have been told by every assignor I work for how they want games called. What's the difference?
How many assigners have told you NOT to call travelling, palming, double-dribbles, taunting, swinging on the rim, etc, etc.

AND1 games are simply entertainment, like the Trotters, and are usually officiated that way.

I am not disagreeing that the AND1 is more like globtrotters than anything else, but what is the difference between being told not to call palming, et al and to call something one way or another?

Love2ref4Ever Mon Nov 15, 2004 04:22pm

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I received $100 per game, and perks, such as free sneakers, jerseys, and whatever gifts they throw your way. Plus, almost all the times you get free meals and all the Gatoraide your little heart desires.

smoref Mon Nov 15, 2004 08:00pm

It is funny that this topic has come up.

I went to a Globetrotters game last year with my 6 year old daughter. I knew going to the game that it is more entertainment then basketball but I could not get over that the refs were not "real" refs.

They walked up and down the court, did not get into position and only made a handful of calls.

Like I said I knew it was entertainment and not basketball but I just had a hard time with it.

ChuckElias Tue Nov 16, 2004 03:38pm

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Originally posted by stripes
what is the difference between being told not to call palming, et al and to call something one way or another?
As Mr. Annoying Grammar Guy, I usually limit my comments to the English language. But don't you mean to use "inter alia" here? I always thought that "et al" ("and others") refered to people. Any Latin geeks here?

Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 16, 2004 04:01pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by stripes
what is the difference between being told not to call palming, et al and to call something one way or another?
As <font color = red>Mr. Annoying Guy</font>, I usually limit my comments to the English language. But don't you mean to use "inter alia" here? I always thought that "et al" ("and others") refered to people. Any Latin geeks here?

Oh ny. Give a guy crap for screwing up Latin usage.

I made your appellation above a little more accurate. :D

ChuckElias Tue Nov 16, 2004 04:25pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Oh ny. Give a guy crap for screwing up Latin usage.
Now I gotta put up with New York propoganda even outside the baseball thread?!?!

Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 16, 2004 04:40pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Oh ny. Give a guy crap for screwing up Latin usage.
Now I gotta put up with New York propoganda even outside the baseball thread?!?!

Yeah, I wanna be <font color = red>"Mr. Annoying Guy"</font> when I grow up too.

Gee, I think that I'm becoming a <font color = red>"Mr. Annoying Guy"</font> groupie.

stripes Tue Nov 16, 2004 06:04pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by stripes
what is the difference between being told not to call palming, et al and to call something one way or another?
As Mr. Annoying Grammar Guy, I usually limit my comments to the English language. But don't you mean to use "inter alia" here? I always thought that "et al" ("and others") refered to people. Any Latin geeks here?

Definitely not a latin geek, but as I recall it only applies to others (not just people)

Et alii - [literally, and others] and others; abbreviated as et al.

Inter alia may be better.

inter alia

SYLLABICATION: in·ter a·li·a
PRONUNCIATION: ntr l-, äl-
ADVERB: Among other things.
ETYMOLOGY: Latin : inter, among + alia, neuter accusative pl. of alius, other.

Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 16, 2004 06:27pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Now I gotta put up with New York prop<font color = red>o</font>ganda even outside the baseball thread?!?! [/B][/QUOTE]"Prop-O-Ganda"?? Bwaahaaahaaahaahaaaa......

Is that anywhere near Uganda?

Or "Meganda"? Or should that be "Iganda"?

bob jenkins Wed Nov 17, 2004 09:34am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by stripes
what is the difference between being told not to call palming, et al and to call something one way or another?
As Mr. Annoying Grammar Guy, I usually limit my comments to the English language. But don't you mean to use "inter alia" here? I always thought that "et al" ("and others") refered to people. Any Latin geeks here?

et cetera ("etc.") would be the preferred use.

But, switching back to Mr. English Grammar Person, "etc." should not be used. If the missing item(s) is/are important enough to warrant an "etc.", it/they are important enough to be listed.

(Any errors in the this post are intentional and are provided for the amusement of the reading audience. Now, get back to memorizing the answers to the Part 1 test.)



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