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shont Wed Nov 10, 2004 04:31pm

A player that is in a marked lane space. May they break the plane of the lane line with their foot before the ball hits the rim, or do they actually have to make contact inside the lane before the ball hits rim for there to be a violation? Also what about the lines that mark the lane spaces, can they have their foot touching this line, or do they have to be entirely within their space? I am talking about NFHS rules.

IAABO_Ref Wed Nov 10, 2004 04:36pm

The player in a marked lane space only has to brake the plane(foot in the air). 9.1.9

mick Wed Nov 10, 2004 04:42pm

Quote:

Originally posted by shont
A player that is in a marked lane space. May they break the plane of the lane line with their foot before the ball hits the rim, or do they actually have to make contact inside the lane before the ball hits rim for there to be a violation? Also what about the lines that mark the lane spaces, can they have their foot touching this line, or do they have to be entirely within their space? I am talking about NFHS rules.
shont,
Do not break plane with feet before the rim. [<I>Mileage may vary.</I>]

Stay off the lines and blocks.
mick

Redhouse Wed Nov 10, 2004 04:46pm

the plane
 
If you are saying that they cannot raise their foot and break the plane then I guess they cannot break the plane by leaning forward over the line. That doesn't make much sense. If that is in fact the rule, has anyone ever called a violation on someone for leaning forward?

shont Wed Nov 10, 2004 04:48pm

Thank you for your help everyone!

Shont

IAABO_Ref Wed Nov 10, 2004 04:56pm

The rule says feet. So it's not anything to lean over.

bob jenkins Wed Nov 10, 2004 04:57pm

Re: the plane
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Redhouse
If you are saying that they cannot raise their foot and break the plane then I guess they cannot break the plane by leaning forward over the line.
Don't guess. Read 9-1-9.

And, the restrictions end when the ball hits either ther ring or the backboard (or the FT ends) -- the backboard part is often forgotten.


Redhouse Wed Nov 10, 2004 05:10pm

I like to guess sometimes. thanks for the reference.

mick Wed Nov 10, 2004 05:49pm

Re: Re: the plane
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

-- the backboard part is often forgotten.
Thanks, bob,
I know I forget that part! :cool:
mick

kgruber Wed Nov 10, 2004 06:34pm

The rule and casebook is pretty clear on this. It's a violation for offensive players in marked spaces to break the vertical plane of the lane lines or block with their foot only. Other body parts across the planes are OK. The same principal applies to the shooter with the free-throw line and other players with the 3-point line and the free-thow line extended. If a defensive player violates it's of course a delayed violation(closed fist outward) and no call if it goes, a violation and re-try if it does not.

I would reference rules and case book for you as well but I don't have my books with me. Sorry.

Hope this helps.

Ken


Nevadaref Thu Nov 11, 2004 03:59am

Two year's ago I created some bizarre plays to test an official's very detailed rules knowledge. One question on the test I created was:

While A1 is waiting to receive the ball to attempt a free throw, B1 and B2 in marked lane spaces bend over and touch their hands to the floor inside the free throw lane, while keeping their feet in the marked lane spaces. B1 and B2 remain in these positions while the official places the ball at the disposal of A1 and he attempts the free throw. If A1 misses, should a call be made? Explain.

kgruber Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:25am

Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Two year's ago I created some bizarre plays to test an official's very detailed rules knowledge. One question on the test I created was:

While A1 is waiting to receive the ball to attempt a free throw, B1 and B2 in marked lane spaces bend over and touch their hands to the floor inside the free throw lane, while keeping their feet in the marked lane spaces. B1 and B2 remain in these positions while the official places the ball at the disposal of A1 and he attempts the free throw. If A1 misses, should a call be made? Explain.

I assume there would be no violation since no FEET touched the lane. Do you have a rule reference for this example other than ones described above?

Camron Rust Thu Nov 11, 2004 03:33pm

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Originally posted by kgruber
Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Two year's ago I created some bizarre plays to test an official's very detailed rules knowledge. One question on the test I created was:

While A1 is waiting to receive the ball to attempt a free throw, B1 and B2 in marked lane spaces bend over and touch their hands to the floor inside the free throw lane, while keeping their feet in the marked lane spaces. B1 and B2 remain in these positions while the official places the ball at the disposal of A1 and he attempts the free throw. If A1 misses, should a call be made? Explain.

I assume there would be no violation since no FEET touched the lane. Do you have a rule reference for this example other than ones described above?

Well, I was thinking that the player would be where they are touching. When touching two areas, one has priority over the other for determining location. I thought that they would be considered in the lane if they're touching both in and out. However, the rule that defines this concept lists only inbounds/out-of-bounds, frontcout/backcourt, and behind/in-front-of three point arc. It does not include the lane.

We could infer from that rule that the player touching the lane with a hand could be in the lane. However, there is nothing explicit in the rule that I've seen to support that.

mick Thu Nov 11, 2004 03:43pm

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Originally posted by Camron Rust
Quote:

Originally posted by kgruber
Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Two year's ago I created some bizarre plays to test an official's very detailed rules knowledge. One question on the test I created was:

While A1 is waiting to receive the ball to attempt a free throw, B1 and B2 in marked lane spaces bend over and touch their hands to the floor inside the free throw lane, while keeping their feet in the marked lane spaces. B1 and B2 remain in these positions while the official places the ball at the disposal of A1 and he attempts the free throw. If A1 misses, should a call be made? Explain.

I assume there would be no violation since no FEET touched the lane. Do you have a rule reference for this example other than ones described above?

Well, I was thinking that the player would be where they are touching. When touching two areas, one has priority over the other for determining location. I thought that they would be considered in the lane if they're touching both in and out. However, the rule that defines this concept lists only inbounds/out-of-bounds, frontcout/backcourt, and behind/in-front-of three point arc. It does not include the lane.

We could infer from that rule that the player touching the lane with a hand could be in the lane. However, there is nothing explicit in the rule that I've seen to support that.

Somehow I keep getting this vision of a player prone in the lane with his feet outside the lane.... :rolleyes:
mick


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