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Jeff the Ref Wed Nov 10, 2004 03:30pm

Jumper A1 taps the ball to start extra period. While ball is in flight, B2 fouls A2. Team A is in Double bonus. Official instructs the scorer to set possession arrow to Team B when ball is placed at A2 disposals for the SECOND free throw. True or False?

The confusion is the SECOND free throw. Would'nt you set it on the disposal of the first free throw?

ChuckElias Wed Nov 10, 2004 03:32pm

Jeff, you taking the NCAA test?

coachz_216 Wed Nov 10, 2004 03:34pm

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Originally posted by Jeff the Ref
Jumper A1 taps the ball to start extra period. While ball is in flight, B2 fouls A2. Team A is in Double bonus. Official instructs the scorer to set possession arrow to Team B when ball is placed at A2 disposals for the SECOND free throw. True or False?

The confusion is the SECOND free throw. Would'nt you set it on the disposal of the first free throw?

Interesting question--I can't wait to hear from the "veteran" officials on this one. Not that it matters--as long as the arrow gets set to team B, it shouldn't make any difference (unless a brouhaha breaks out on the first throw!).

IAABO_Ref Wed Nov 10, 2004 03:43pm

The arrow would be set when the ball was at the disposal of the free thrower for his first free throw. 4.3.2

coachz_216 Wed Nov 10, 2004 03:47pm

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Originally posted by IAABO_Ref
The arrow would be set when the ball was at the disposal of the free thrower for his first free throw. 4.3.2
This is what I would expect the correct answer to be!

Thanks for the reference!


IAABO_Ref Wed Nov 10, 2004 04:28pm

We had this happen at the end of a game last year. I'll pose it in question form.

We have an arrow throw-in. On the throw-in A-1 rolls the ball toward A-2, well the ball is rolling to A-2, B-3 fouls A-3. Team A is in the one and one. A-3 misses the first free throw attempt and on the rebounding action we've got a held ball. Whose ball is it?

IAABO_Ref Wed Nov 10, 2004 04:53pm

The AP throw-in had not ended yet even though the ball was rolling on the floor. So team A did still have the arrow.

ChuckElias Wed Nov 10, 2004 08:32pm

Quote:

Originally posted by IAABO_Ref
The arrow would be set when the ball was at the disposal of the free thrower for his first free throw. 4.3.2
What's the NCAA reference for how the arrow is initially set?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:20pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by IAABO_Ref
The arrow would be set when the ball was at the disposal of the free thrower for his first free throw. 4.3.2
What's the NCAA reference for how the arrow is initially set?


Chuck:

I know that you want a NCAA rules reference for the initial setting of the AP Arrow, but if my memory is correct, the NCAA Rules Book does not have it spelled out like it is in the NFHS Rules Book (see Rule 4), except for an A.R. in Rule 6. But I do know that the NFHS R4-S3 applies to the NCAA.

MTD, Sr.

Jeff the Ref Thu Nov 11, 2004 08:57am

Yes Chuck...I am!


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