flopping

mick

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan

Originally posted by Nevadaref
I'm in the other camp. I almost always call a block on the flopper. I see it as a safety issue. Not only does this player make the officials and the game look bad to the fans who scream when no call is made, but they could be stepped on while on the floor. This could hurt that player or another who turns and ankle or twists a knee in the process.
If the coach questions the call, I usually tell them, "He faked it(flopped) and I could call a it T if you prefer." I'll also let the coach know that if he can get his kid to stand there and take the contact, I'll happily call the PC for him.
I have never had to make this call more than once in any game.

EXACTLY!

So, ... are you enforcing by rule or by personal attitude?
mick

Nevadaref

Well, you could say that, but then consider how many multiple fouls or 3 second calls you make in each game you work?
I'd bet you haven't gotten to where you are by calling everything by the book.

ChrisSportsFan

it was suggestd at our meeting that if everyone brings this up at the capt's meeting for the first couple of games, we "should" have it under control. That way if we T the little flopper, can't say you wern't warned.

zebraman

First incidence of flopping with no contact gets a warning. Next one gets a T (never had the "next one" after a warning). Any flopping with minor contact is a block.

mick

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Well, you could say that, but then consider how many multiple fouls or 3 second calls you make in each game you work?
I'd bet you haven't gotten to where you are by calling everything by the book.

Nevada,
It is possibly considered semantics, but I see a polite difference between making calls contrary to the rules and having no-calls contrary to the rules... but, then again, I am left-handed. 😉
mick

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by mick
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That one goes back a coupla years, folks. 😀

mick

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
... but, then again, I am left-handed.

Is this where we bring up your left-handed balls again also? 😮

That one goes back a coupla years, folks. 😀 [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, that was exactly what I needed. 😎
mick

Mark Dexter

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by mick

Nevada,
It is possibly considered semantics, but I see a polite difference between making calls contrary to the rules and having no-calls contrary to the rules... but, then again, I am left-handed.
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Is this where we bring up your left-handed balls again also? 😮

That one goes back a coupla years, folks. 😀 [/B][/QUOTE]

I think this merits bringing back the search function. 😀

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by mick

Nevada,
It is possibly considered semantics, but I see a polite difference between making calls contrary to the rules and having no-calls contrary to the rules... but, then again, I am left-handed.

Is this where we bring up your left-handed balls again also? 😮

That one goes back a coupla years, folks. 😀 [/B]

I think this merits bringing back the search function. 😀 [/B][/QUOTE]You're gonna search for Mick's left-handed balls?

Be my guest.😃

ShadowStripes

Another PoE that is not needed. Of course, this is the year we get time out recognition as one of the big POEs. Could we possibly get some more useless stuff to talk about? I guess the NFHS has finally surrendered on "rough play" this year after a decade of harping on it. My take on flopping? When flops are consistently not called by good officials, it tends to cut them out. Most good officials will call the block on a flop if there is a reasonable amount of contact. Calling technicals on non-contact flops? Silly, and unnecessarily putting stuff in the game...

Dan_ref

Originally posted by ShadowStripes
Another PoE that is not needed. Of course, this is the year we get time out recognition as one of the big POEs. Could we possibly get some more useless stuff to talk about? I guess the NFHS has finally surrendered on "rough play" this year after a decade of harping on it. My take on flopping? When flops are consistently not called by good officials, it tends to cut them out. Most good officials will call the block on a flop if there is a reasonable amount of contact. Calling technicals on non-contact flops? Silly, and unnecessarily putting stuff in the game...

I agree on the flopping. Consistent no-call and a word with the flopper usually puts an end to it. I've never been big on calling a block for this, doesn't seem within the intent of the rules to me. T for this is silly.

mick

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Consistent no-call and a word with the flopper usually puts an end to it. I've never been big on calling a block for this, doesn't seem within the intent of the rules to me. T for this is silly.

T'other night.
A5 flopped three times. No-call three times.

4th flop, in my Lead lap, zero contact.
My partner rings up a PC from 60 feet away.
Dang it!!!
mick

RookieDude

Originally posted by mick

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Consistent no-call and a word with the flopper usually puts an end to it. I've never been big on calling a block for this, doesn't seem within the intent of the rules to me. T for this is silly.

T'other night.
A5 flopped three times. No-call three times.

4th flop, in my Lead lap, zero contact.
My partner rings up a PC from 60 feet away.
Dang it!!!
mick

What do you always say mick?...
get in
get done
get out

BTW, I'm with Dan...no-call and a word.

mick

Originally posted by RookieDude
BTW, I'm with Dan...no-call and a word.

I think if there was a rule to warn for the initial flop, I could live with that. I think that would be fair enough.

As it stands, with the penalty exceeding the act, I wonder what kinda stuff would precipitate if the opposing coach heard us tell the flopper's coach that next time that flopper will get whacked.

• "Wha'? Why didn't you "T" him? It's the rule!"
At least with a no-call, we can call it judgement.
mick

RookieDude

Originally posted by mick

Originally posted by RookieDude
BTW, I'm with Dan...no-call and a word.

I think if there was a rule to warn for the initial flop, I could live with that. I think that would be fair enough.

As it stands, with the penalty exceeding the act, I wonder what kinda stuff would precipitate if the opposing coach heard us tell the flopper's coach that next time that flopper will get whacked.

• "Wha'? Why didn't you "T" him? It's the rule!"
At least with a no-call, we can call it judgement.
mick

Exactly...
my word could be....
"You're getting close to being called for a flop buddy."
This way, in my judgement, he was close but no cigar.

mick

Originally posted by RookieDude

Originally posted by mick

Originally posted by RookieDude
BTW, I'm with Dan...no-call and a word.

I think if there was a rule to warn for the initial flop, I could live with that. I think that would be fair enough.

As it stands, with the penalty exceeding the act, I wonder what kinda stuff would precipitate if the opposing coach heard us tell the flopper's coach that next time that flopper will get whacked.

• "Wha'? Why didn't you "T" him? It's the rule!"
At least with a no-call, we can call it judgement.
mick

Exactly...
my word could be....
"You're getting close to being called for a flop buddy."
This way, in my judgement, he was close but no cigar.

That's useable. 🙂
mick

Dan_ref

Originally posted by mick

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Consistent no-call and a word with the flopper usually puts an end to it. I've never been big on calling a block for this, doesn't seem within the intent of the rules to me. T for this is silly.

T'other night.
A5 flopped three times. No-call three times.

4th flop, in my Lead lap, zero contact.
My partner rings up a PC from 60 feet away.
Dang it!!!
mick

Eesh. Just like feeding the dog scraps from the table. Do it once & you're back to square 1.

Originally posted by RookieDude
Exactly...
my word could be....
"You're getting close to being called for a flop buddy."
This way, in my judgement, he was close but no cigar.

My word is closer to "knock that sh1t off". Almost always draws a smile, a nod & a quick "OK, good call".

The players in my neck of the woods have thick skins. 🙂

rainmaker

Originally posted by Dan_ref
My word is closer to "knock that sh1t off". Almost always draws a smile, a nod & a quick "OK, good call".

The players in my neck of the woods have thick skins. 🙂

I guess so! I don't think I'll try this on the 7th grade girls I do!

ace

I know in our area floppers tend to be less and less at the varstiy level if the sub-varsity officials do there job and those of us that call summer or AAU leages handle it there as well. I've never called a T for flopping. It usually takes one flop and when they stand up and look for the whistle i try and keep it between the player and I ask "With no contact?" And it usuually settles it. If it becomes a problem next dead ball i'll grab the player and tell him "we see you flopping and we're not going to give you a whistle, so please kncok it off before someone gets hurt. keep it up and we'll t you." And if the coach asks what yall talked about you just tell him quitely - "makin sure he tied his shoes reall good so he'll stop trippin on 'em." I've only recived one dumb-founded look from a coach after that explanation.

Why fret the small stuff when flopping when we need to be working with our partners on the 60' player controls and other things more important to the flow of the game.