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Nevadaref Sat Oct 23, 2004 06:08am

Another thread asked which states use the 3-man system, but that thread seemed to go off on a tangent and get a little murky.
I was speaking with someone from our state office and he thought that this would be an interesting list to create/have because we are struggling to keep 3-man here. Therefore, I have started this thread.
I ask that you just list your state and whether regular season Varsity games are done with 2 or 3 officials. If 3-man is used only (with the exception of a tournament or two) for the playoffs, please note that. i.e. (3 Playoffs only) or (3 at State)
If you could also give the game fee per official that would be great.
Thanks.

Nevada uses 3-man @ $45.

ChuckElias Sat Oct 23, 2004 06:56am

MA: 3-whistle for state semis and finals only. 2-whistle fee is $66 for V.

BktBallRef Sat Oct 23, 2004 09:05am

The NCHSAA requires that all varsity games be officiated by 3 man crews.

Regular season
2 games - $75
1 game $50

Playoffs and tournaments
2 games - $90
1 game - $60

Some associations also use 3 man in JV. The game fees are $10 less than varsity.

brandan89 Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:48am

Here in Louisiana, it is 2 man crew.

SMEngmann Sat Oct 23, 2004 01:05pm

It depends on the area, here all varsity is 2 person except for the top league which has gone to a three person system. Most of the later rounds of the playoffs use 3 person as well. I also know of some places where all HS games are done in crews of 3, but the officials take a $15 pay cut to make it happen.

rainmaker Sat Oct 23, 2004 01:18pm

Quote:

Originally posted by SMEngmann
It depends on the area, here all varsity is 2 person except for the top league which has gone to a three person system. Most of the later rounds of the playoffs use 3 person as well. I also know of some places where all HS games are done in crews of 3, but the officials take a $15 pay cut to make it happen.
I expect NevadaRef would like to know which state you're describing!

In Oregon, all high school ball is 2-whistle. Period. Except for a couple of isolated camp or tournament thingys. Fees run around $38 - $45 (not including mileage) per ref per game for varsity, depending on the size of the school. In Portland. Play-off and tournament games pay more, I don't know exactly how much. I don't know for sure what fees are in the rest of the state, but I understand they are similar.

AirForceDude Sat Oct 23, 2004 06:49pm

Georgia uses mostly 3-man this year (all schools in my association except maybe one private school).
Last year our fees for were 3-man $37.00, not sure how much it went up this year.

zebraman Sat Oct 23, 2004 09:32pm

Washington is going to use 3-person at all state tournaments this year for the first time.

District tournaments may or may not use 3-person (depends on each district). The use of 3-person officiating in the regular season is negotiated between each local association and their leagues. It's a real mess. Some regions are doing 3-person exclusively. Some regions are only doing 2-person. Others are doing a mix. It's going to be a huge disadvantage at the state tournaments for high school officials who have done very few if any 3-person games during the season. They will have no chance at competing with the officials who have been practicing 3-person all year.

2-person in this state pays $48.00 per official plus travel.
3-person is in an "experimental 3-year trial" and pays only $33.00 per official plus travel.

Simple math shows that a school only has to pay $3.00 more to get the additional third ref (travel is a set fee regardless of whether it is split between 2 or 3 officials), yet many schools are resisting (many officials aren't happy about it either but they are accepting it despite much grumbling). Many schools are resisting because they fear that it may "become accepted" which would mean certain approval of 3-person in our state for all games after the 3-year trial period at which time the 3-person fee would go up to about $42.00 per official.

Z

Back In The Saddle Sat Oct 23, 2004 09:34pm

Utah uses 2-whistle everywhere. They pay $42 for varsity, $25 for sub-varsity. You do get a flat $10 per official for travel along the Wasatch Front (which is most of the schools in Utah).

ocreferee Sat Oct 23, 2004 09:35pm

Eastern Shore of Maryland
 
$60 each 2 whistle until the state quarterfinals



JRutledge Sat Oct 23, 2004 09:40pm

IHSA Playoffs
 
All IHSA Playoff games are done with 3 Officials.

Regular season games are based on the conference, school or assignor whoever has a say. I would say around 95% of the state does their regular season games with 3 Person crews.

The same thing goes for the fees. It is based on the schools or the conferences. They vary way too much to list.

Peace

WestPAref Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:47am

Pennsylvania uses 3-whistle for boys and girls varsity ball during the regular and post season. Fees in Western PA run from $50 to $75 depending on the section. The recent Referree mag has a break down of game fees nationwide.

Mregor Sun Oct 24, 2004 03:10pm

Wisconsin uses 2 with Varsity fees of $50-55 in my area. Some conferences pay travel. According to the head honcho at the WIAA, we are eventually going to 3-person for T-ment. Which levels and when is still TBD. The thought is that hopefully after the t-ment goes to 3-person, the schools will eventually fall in line.

Tim Roden Sun Oct 24, 2004 09:25pm

TX we are in transition. Most playoff is in 3 person and many of the 5a leagues are 3 person. In my part of the state many of the games are still 2 person.

Ref in PA Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:49am

I also work in Western PA - Mostly Beaver County. Section games use 3 man for Varsity and most non-section games (exhibition) will use 2 man. The exhibitions games are left to the discression of the home school as to how many refs will work the game. Fees vary by school district, depending on what the home school can afford.

Rickref Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:00pm

In Colorado: 3-person by leauges during the season. Most Metro leagues use it, rural ones don't. Playoffs are 3-person at all levels. 3-person $42.50 2-person $51.00.

Adam Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:02pm

In Iowa, a few conferences have gone to three-whistle. As far as I know, all tournament games are still two-whistle.

Robmoz Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:20am

Michigan - 3 Man for Varsity ONLY....all other levels are going 2 Man.

Nevadaref Tue Nov 16, 2004 02:00am

There are many states for which I still need information, so I am bumping this thread back to the top as the season starts and hopefully many officials will start returing to the forum. If you do not see your state listed, please post for me. For example, VA and DC area, I know you are out there! Thanks.

blindzebra Tue Nov 16, 2004 03:12am

Az all 2 man, except for a few holiday tournaments. A couple of levels use 3 man in the state tournament.

$45 a game plus $5 dollars mileage in metro areas.

State tournament is 1.5 times the game fee of $45 for 2 and $40 for 3.

dblref Tue Nov 16, 2004 07:37am

Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
There are many states for which I still need information, so I am bumping this thread back to the top as the season starts and hopefully many officials will start returing to the forum. If you do not see your state listed, please post for me. For example, VA and DC area, I know you are out there! Thanks.
Didn't forget you, but I can only speak for northern VA. We use 3-person on all varsity games including district, regional, and state play-offs. I'll have to get back to you regarding game fees because I think there has been a recent change and quite frankly, I don't remember what it was last season.

som44 Tue Nov 16, 2004 05:06pm

New Hampshire--2 man except for state --2 man fee is $70 varsity 50 JV

whistleone Tue Nov 16, 2004 07:07pm

Missouri-regular season is up to the schools. Most larger schools use 3 whistle. New this year - 4A and 5A playoffs will use 3 whistles.

Rich Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:40pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mregor
Wisconsin uses 2 with Varsity fees of $50-55 in my area. Some conferences pay travel. According to the head honcho at the WIAA, we are eventually going to 3-person for T-ment. Which levels and when is still TBD. The thought is that hopefully after the t-ment goes to 3-person, the schools will eventually fall in line.
And this is why I like working in Illinois when I can -- 3-whistle crews. My first game was a juco men's game tonight ($80 3-person, which wasn't bad considering I was gone, done, and back home in less than 6-hours :) ). My first three HS games are also in Illinois (3-person) and the conferences pay the same game fee as the high schools pay per official for 2-person in Wisconsin.

Once you've gone to three you really don't want to go back if you can help it. I'm hoping that the state pushes the transition to 3 as quickly as they can.

--Rich

bgtg19 Wed Nov 17, 2004 09:52am

MI crew and fees
 
Robmoz mentioned that MI is running 3-person crews for varsity only. It is conference specific. I agree that *most* conferences, for boys varsity games, are hiring 3-person crews. There are, however, a few holdouts where 2-person crews handle boys varsity games. For girls varsity games, I am not aware of *any* conferences using 3-person crews (i.e., all 2-person); it may be different in the Eastern part of the state.

It is my understanding that for the playoffs, girls and boys, 2-person crews handle District assignments and 3-person crews handle Regional through Championship assignments.

Although there are some conference differences, most varsity games are $55. Playoffs pay less! District assignments pay $45, Regional pays $50 and Quarterfinal through Final pays $55.

chayce Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:00am

Kentucky varies to some degree, but in the Bluegrass area (central KY), approximately 70% of varsity regular season games are done with three person. All post season games are 3 person.

coachz_216 Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:01am

Kansas is almost entirely 3-man.

I can't vouch for the smalles schools in Western KS, but everything else is 3-man for sure.

Mailguy Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:08am

Ohio -- The majority of the leagues/conferences uses 3 person crews for varsity boys regular season. There are very few that use 2 man crews. On the girls side the 3 person crew is not used in as many leagues/conferences as the boys but I would still say more use three than don't. Regular season fees vary throughout the state $40 - $65 for a varsity game.

Three person crews are used for both boys and girls in OHSAA Tournament play, Sectional>District >Regional>State. I think fees start at $50 with a little more at each level, capping at $70 for State games. At each level you get paid mileage. I cannot quote the mileage rate because each of the five Districts in the state pays a little different (i.e. .25 per mile round trip or .35 per mile one way). It is not until the Regional/State level that OHSAA pays a set mileage.

sc/nc ref Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:19am

South Carolina - All Boy's & Girl's Varsity games (regular season and tournament) are 3 person officiated.

BktBallRef Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:28am

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmmm!"
 
When this topic arises, it always amazes me that the South, which has always been considered behind everyone in everything, is the leader. NC, SC, VA, GA, FL, all requiring 3 man for public school games.

stewcall Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:42am

Central VA
just switched to all 3 man for varsity games- when available they will also do JV games
fee vary depending on A- AAA girls or boys
and JV or Varsity
for Varsity $42-$55

Stew in VA
CVBOA

Jurassic Referee Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:04am

Re: Things that make you go
 
Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
When this topic arises, it always amazes me that the South, which has always been considered behind everyone in everything, is the leader. NC, SC, VA, GA, FL, all requiring 3 man for public school games.
Or maybe it's because it takes 3 of you-alls to do what 2 guys in the North can do.

Couldn't resist. :D


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