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Danvrapp Tue Jan 23, 2001 11:43am

<html>I attended my first NBA game last night since becoming a basketball official and I noticed something that I thought was odd. During the <b><i>first</i></b> half, the teams were going <b><i>towards</i></b> their own basket, and vice versa in the second half. I know that in High School and below (college...?), you go towards your own basket in the <b><i>second</i></b> half. Anyone know why this is???</P>It was funny last night, but I spent more time watching the officials than the players. Very different mechanics</html>

Kelvin green Tue Jan 23, 2001 12:18pm

from the NBA rules

"The visiting team has the choice of baskets for the first half. The basket selected by the visiting team when it first enters onto the court shall be its basket for the first half."

mlancast Tue Jan 23, 2001 01:54pm

There are no mechanics from NBA officials.

bob jenkins Tue Jan 23, 2001 02:20pm

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Originally posted by Danvrapp
<html>I attended my first NBA game last night since becoming a basketball official and I noticed something that I thought was odd. During the <b><i>first</i></b> half, the teams were going <b><i>towards</i></b> their own basket, and vice versa in the second half. I know that in High School and below (college...?), you go towards your own basket in the <b><i>second</i></b> half. Anyone know why this is???</P>It was funny last night, but I spent more time watching the officials than the players. Very different mechanics</html>
Just to be picky, you go towards your own basket in both halves (unless a player is confused).

Danvrapp Tue Jan 23, 2001 02:36pm

WOW!!!
 
<html>Whoops! I meant to say toward their own <font size = +2><b><i>bench!!!</i></b></font>

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 23, 2001 03:14pm

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Originally posted by bob jenkins


Just to be picky, you go towards your own basket in both halves (unless a player is confused).

<FONT SIZE=+1>I LOVE IT!</FONT>

I love these replies! Here's a sitch:

I'm at the highest level camp here in Ontario, and one clinician is talking about <I>game management</I> and was sidetracked a little by telling a story about a team that was very talented, having 8 (of 10) players that were very good. He had mentioned that all 8 could play as a starter.

After he was done, everyone had understood his point (doesn't matter right now what his point was) and another clinician followed him, who is VERY funny. I mean, VERY funny. (He once, as a joke, polled the audience over one of my calls. Maybe you hadta be there - but this guy is VERY funny.) Anyways, he opened with, "You have some serious game management issues if you're letting a team play with 8 starters.

We all broke up laughing.

[Edited by JugglingReferee on Jan 23rd, 2001 at 02:16 PM]

rainmaker Tue Jan 23, 2001 03:22pm

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Originally posted by JugglingReferee
Maybe you hadta be there - but this guy is VERY funny.) Anyways, he opened with, "You have some serious game management issues if you're letting a team play with 8 starters.
I didn't have to be there to get this one --GREAT!

Mark Padgett Tue Jan 23, 2001 03:54pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker

I didn't have to be there to get this one --GREAT! [/B]
Juulie - about 3 years ago I was doing a varsity level girls game with Tigard visiting Lake Oswego. I'm sure you know both coaches. At about the second dead ball, Ken Johnson (Tigard) subs. One of his girls doesn't come off and he has six on the court. I do what I usually do in that situation when I count six - I went toward him and announced in a loud voice, "Coach - new rule this year - you can only have five!"

Both coaches laughed (probably since it was still very early in the game) and Gary Lavender (LO coach) yelled at "Johns" about trying to get an unfair advantage by playing an extra girl.

"Johns" stood up, looked at Gary, put his hand on his hip and said in a very effeminate tone, "We LIKE playing with six."

The whole gym cracked up.


JugglingReferee Tue Jan 23, 2001 04:02pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
"Johns" stood up, looked at Gary, put his hand on his hip and said in a very effeminate tone, "We LIKE playing with six."

The whole gym cracked up.


Reffing a V boys game and a shooter was hacked on the way up, and everyone in unison, goes "and 1", including the coach.

Jogging to the FRA, I reply to the coach, "coach, you get two for that one, but if you just want one, let me know." The ball didn't go in, but everyone thought that it was gunna drop.

He laughed.

..Mike

moose69 Tue Jan 23, 2001 07:40pm

Jugglin' , sounds like a story from Barrie? possibly Brigg??

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 23, 2001 11:27pm

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Originally posted by moose69
Jugglin' , sounds like a story from Barrie? possibly Brigg??

Close Tyler. The story was from Toronto - York U actually. You know, at JDP. :)

Yes, it was Brigg. I had made a loose ball call that was correct, although a little late on the whistle. Brigg, having the microphone, asked people what they thought. (And this was before Regis was host.) Tyler, I tell ya, that guy is so freakin' funny!

..Mike

BktBallRef Tue Jan 23, 2001 11:37pm

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Originally posted by mlancast
There are no mechanics from NBA officials.
To the contrary. NBA officials are some of the best trained officials in sports. Many of their mechanics have trickled down to the high school level. Where do you think the 3 man rotation came from?

You may not like the way the game is played at that level but there's a lot to be said for the officiating.

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 23, 2001 11:50pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by mlancast
There are no mechanics from NBA officials.
To the contrary. NBA officials are some of the best trained officials in sports. Many of their mechanics have trickled down to the high school level. Where do you think the 3 man rotation came from?

You may not like the way the game is played at that level but there's a lot to be said for the officiating.

Personally, I think NFL officials are the best when it comes to mechanics. Ed Hochuli, or "pipes" as we call him, is just fantastic. Ever seen him give a first down?

..Mike

Kelvin green Wed Jan 24, 2001 05:28pm

NBA officials have mechanics, it's just that staunch NF guys dont like them. NBA mechanics are for speed and efficiency. Many of the mechanics we use today originated in the NBA. Even in 2 person crews. I learned stong side mechanics in the 2 person game 3or 4 years before it was even mentioned. I learned "refereeing the defense" before it was popular among NF. Over the past few years I have learned more about how to referee man-to-man, weakside and perimeter rebounds, and basic floor coverage from the pros and more quickly than I would have from HS refs. Besides NBA mechanics and rules are fun, there is a lot we can learn from the NBA

moose69 Wed Jan 24, 2001 06:09pm

NBA Officials are some of the best. While their mechanics don't match what our fed. and CCA manuals perscribe they are consitant right across the league. They count the way they are told to count, they call block/charge the way they are suppose to. However, they do get a little excited, like the one who started a punch out signal( like a called 3rd strike in the MLB) when he signaled a basket was too count.

Tyler

Bradley Batt Thu Jan 25, 2001 12:17am

I think that the point to be made about the NBA is that you do what your supervisor wants you to do!

Do you think for a minute that if Ed Rush wanted his officials to be using different mechanics, that they wouldn't be?!

The NBA has some great mechanics. Personally, I like the fact that they are not always running around the court like crazy... It looks professional and gets the job done.

When I get hired, I'll let you guys know a little more about the mechanics and stuff :)

NBA2003 Fri Jan 26, 2001 01:43pm

The NBA has the best basketball officials in the world. They work harder on their mechanics/officiating then you could imagine. I know a couple NBA officials and some of them will critique every game they do (they have each came videotaped) after the game. They break down the game-making sure they were in good position (or if they had bad position), was it in their primary, was the call a foul/violation/jump ball/loose ball, what was the score at the time of the call, time, and any other comments about the play. They are constantly trying to improve and become better officials. Amazing that the best in the world work so hard on their game. They are their own harshest critics. If you want a taste of the NBA style/philosophy I highly recommend "Coast to Coast Referee School."

I have attended 3 years and when you leave the camp your knowledge of the game will definately be heightened. You will leave with an understanding of how to improve your game through proper use of videotape. Ron Garretson and Bob Delaney run the camp and usually have between 6-10 other NBA officials helping out. In the past we've had Ed Rush (NBA officials supervisor), Darell Garretson, John Guthrie, Dale Kelly and Jim Jorgensen in attendance.

If you want more info you can check out their website:
http://www.refereeschool.com
or call (610) 783-6336


mlancast Mon Jan 29, 2001 02:38pm

Hey, I never said that NBA officials can't officiate...Just that the mechanics are (practically) non-existant!
The NBA cares about 1 thing.....making money, and to make money, you gotta sell tickets. To sell tickets, ensure lots of scoring and few whistles! Fans don't go to those games to watch dead ball action.
Its' really not fair to compare NFHS or NCAA to the NBA.
2 different birds with different goals, and 2 different philosophies for officiating. To me, the NBA is very boring, but Ed Rush, et el, all obviously are good at what they do, otherwise they wouldn't be there!

BktBallRef Mon Jan 29, 2001 05:37pm

Their mechanics are very existent and very consistant. Their foul reporting is very different from the NF or NCAA but it probably communicates what actually happened much better than ours. When you talk about mechanics, you're talking about much more than just foul reporting.

Bradley Batt Mon Jan 29, 2001 06:43pm

Hey, I never said that NBA officials can't officiate...Just that the mechanics are (practically) non-existant!

You know - that's interesting, considering that the NBA invented 3-person mechanics!

Just because they use mechanics that high school officials don't or that you don't understand, doesn't mean that they don't have them!

Also, I can tell you that although the NBA's primary goal may be money, that doesn't necessarily transfer over to the officials.


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