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Nu1 Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:24am

I believe it is a violation for a defender to place his/her hand directly in front of an offensive player's face - to block their vision (I think it is a player without the ball?)...but I cannot locate this in my Rule or Case book.

I thought I read this in one of those, but cannot find it now. Brain freeze, I guess. Or maybe I'm making the whole thing up :) Can anyone help?

bob jenkins Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:35am

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Originally posted by Nu1
I believe it is a violation
If you think it's a violation, then you're probably looking is Rule 9.

It's not a violation -- it's a technical foul. See rule 10 (and, check out the rules cahnges on the nfhs site).

dhodges007 Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:33am

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Originally posted by Nu1
I believe it is a violation for a defender to place his/her hand directly in front of an offensive player's face - to block their vision (I think it is a player without the ball?)...but I cannot locate this in my Rule or Case book.

I thought I read this in one of those, but cannot find it now. Brain freeze, I guess. Or maybe I'm making the whole thing up :) Can anyone help?

New rule change next year...

10-3-7d Expanded rule pertaining to obstructing an opponentÂ’s vision to include the player with the ball.

lrpalmer3 Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:36am

Does this rule exist in the NBA? I know it's not called, but does it exist?

mick Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:38am

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Originally posted by lrpalmer3
Does this rule exist in the NBA? <U>I know it's not called</U>, but does it exist?
lrpalmer3,
I do not think you know that. ;)
mick


lrpalmer3 Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:43am

So true. I have seen it blatantly ignored.

On the NFHS and NCAA level, a T seems kinda harsh doesn't it? Same for leaving the court, as in running around a screen. That's also a T and seems harsh.

ChuckElias Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:55am

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Originally posted by lrpalmer3
Does this rule exist in the NBA? I know it's not called, but does it exist?
Sigh. I guess you missed it when it was called in the Sac/Minn series, when the Sac defender was pretty much covering Garnett's face. . . :(

lrpalmer3 Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:01pm

I guess I missed it. Funny though because I thought I watched every minute of every game. Hopefully I don't blank out for minutes at a time in games I'm calling. :)

Dan_ref Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:02pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by lrpalmer3
Does this rule exist in the NBA? I know it's not called, but does it exist?
Sigh. I guess you missed it when it was called in the Sac/Minn series, when the Sac defender was pretty much covering Garnett's face. . . :(

As I recall this was pretty much ignored until Garnett had the presence to push his face into the defender's hand.

Snake~eyes Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:14pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by lrpalmer3
Does this rule exist in the NBA? I know it's not called, but does it exist?
Sigh. I guess you missed it when it was called in the Sac/Minn series, when the Sac defender was pretty much covering Garnett's face. . . :(

As I recall this was pretty much ignored until Garnett had the presence to push his face into the defender's hand.

Ahh yes I remember that, it was pretty funny actually.

Damian Tue Jun 15, 2004 01:28pm

Have you seen the hand in face during the promos
 
I cringe everytime I see the promos for the playoffs. There is a quick scene of someone holding their hand in front of the face of the guy with the ball.

Now, I know next year, I will see it a lot and will have to call it.

Nu1 Tue Jun 15, 2004 04:38pm

Thanks for the references. I did see the NBA promo with the hand in the face and that is what caused me to remember reading about this.

I do think, if the promo causes kids to do this, some coaches will be shocked when their kid is T'd up.

ChuckElias Tue Jun 15, 2004 06:49pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
As I recall this was pretty much ignored until Garnett had the presence to push his face into the defender's hand.
Maybe b/c the official didn't feel Garnett's vision was being obstructed until that point? :shrug:

Black&White Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:48am

With hands like some of the guys in the NBA, it wouldn't be too hard to block someones vision ;)

ShoeBall Fri Jun 18, 2004 03:28am

NOW HOLD ON A MINUTE!
 
So you mean it's also illegal to put ones hand in front of the face of a jump shooter to obstruct the view of the rim while jumping to defend a jump shot???

Because that tactic is older than Moses.


And if not...then why should it be illegal to do the same while defending a player with both feet on the court????


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