Watched the NBA finals last night, love those Pistons for playing basketball the way it is supposed to be played. (In the interest of full disclosure, I am from Detroit). Anyway the offensive goaltending got me thinking...

Anyway, is there a good reason for offensive goaltending? If an offensive player can get himself in position to guide a shot into the rim, why not? It doesn't make sense to me to punish them?

Am willing to listen to why the rule exists.

Why give the offense the right to do something we don't let the defense do? By your reasoning, if the defensive player works hard enough to get position to go up and tip the ball OUT of the basket, that should be a good play...if we aren't going to let the d touch the ball in the cylinder, we shouldn't let the o touch it in the cylinder...

On a side note, I thought it was interesting that the offensive goaltending by Ben Wallace was called, while the earlier ones by Shaq weren't...altho Wallace's was a lot less "sneaky"...

I believe the rule is consistent in the NBA for the offense and the defense-neither can touch the ball above the cylinder. At least that is the rule in HS. To be fair if you allow the offense to do it you would have to allow the defense to grab the ball that is about to go in and pull it down for a rebound. (and to pick nits-it is technically called basket interference not goaltending-but the penalty is the same)

--however your post got me thinking since the NBA loves scoring it is surprising the NBA doesn't tweek the rules to allow the offense to do it and not the defense.

Incidently I believe under FIBA rules that is legal for both offense and defense-once the ball has hit the rim.

(and after posting this I see rockyroad beat me to it and said basically the same thing)

Which just shows how smart you are. Now if you were agreeing with MTD, every post from now on would be suspect!

The Offensive Goaltending rule was put into the NCAA in 1957 following Kansas' championship season with Wilt Chamberlain. Kansas didn't even qualify for the NCAA tournament in 1958, losing to Tex Winter's Kansas State team.

The Defensive Goaltending rule is attributed to Joe Fortenberry, a 6'7" 1936 Olympian from Texas who was an outstanding jumber.

Goaltending, wider lanes, and no dunking rules were put into effect to hinder domination by big men at various times in NCAA history. These rules often migrate to the NBA when they are useful.

I thought that shot last night still had a chance to go in, so I was surprised Wallace finished it off. Sometimes you wonder what these guys are thinking.

Why thank you Juulie...I knew you were one of the smarter ones on this board!!!

Here are some of the other contenders for the title:

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Not smarter, more obsequious!

I can only HOPE to be that smart, someday!

Yep...one small step above Yankees fans on the evolutionary scale!! :)

If you're looking for equity between how the rules treat the offense and the defense, look no further than the NF rule on technical fouls.

If called on the offense, they lose two shots and possession of the ball. If called on the defense, they lose two shots.

As the immortal Dave once said, "Fair? Fair? This is basketball. You want fair, call Judge Judy".

Actually, Wallace committed BI.

Shaq committed GT, which wasn't called.

Quite honestly, I think they just didn't see the GT well enough to call it. When the play happened, I wasn't sure it was GT, until I saw the replay.

Got news for ya partner!

Kansas didn't win the 1957 National Championship.

The National Champions were the UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA TARHEELS!! :D

Yep, beat Kansas for the championship. Watch out for Carolina in next 2 years. They'll be back. Theyt had a great recruiting year. I saw one of their frosh play a couple of years ago in Greensboro. JamesOn Curry. I believe he averaged close to 50 ppg his Junior year in HS.

Spoken by a true fan of a LAST place team. :D

I may be off on the events of 1957, but JamesOn Curry will not be playing with North Carolina this year, at least. His offer was rescinded after a guilty plea to a felony marijuana possession and sale charge and he has signed with Oklahoma State.

By the way, I should have known it was NC and not Kansas, since the Heels beat my MSU Spartans in a triple overtime semi-final before winning the championship against Kansas in another triple overtime game the next day. But the Offensive Goaltending rule was for Chamberlain, not Lennie Rosenbluth. Incidently, 1956-57 was also the year the NCAA widened the lane to 12 feet.

[Edited by Jimgolf on Jun 15th, 2004 at 09:51 AM]

Sheez, Mark, thread that had veered off-topic into some perfectly good insult and childish banter, and you have to bring it back to the subject? You're no fun anymore...

See what retirement will do to you??? Turns you all serious and cranky!!!

Having spent my time in the cheap sets at the stadium I can't argue with you here Rocky.

That's correct. The all-time leading scorer in NCHSAA history is a drug dealer. Busted during his senior year, didn't even get to finish the season. :(

Roy Williams rescinded the scholarship offer. But you knew somebody would offer him a scholarship. Just had to wait to see which coach is more interested in winning than character, and integrity. It doesn't surprise me that Eddie Sutton stepped up.

Just had my dad's 80th party last weekend - family flew in from all over...my nephew flew in from Conn. - big BoSox fan...told me how he went to NY to see one of the Yankees vs. Sox playoff games last fall, dressed in his finest Sox regalia...had to have police escort him out in the 6th inning because the NY fans were pelting him with whatever was close to hand...officials offered him free tickets to a game this season as a token of their regret - he just looked at them and asked if they were stupid or what?? Of course - it weren't too smart of him to go there like that anyway, were it???

He should have used a shark cage.

LOL...I told him next time go in his Patriots outfit - that way he'd at least have a helmet on!!!

My youngest son, Robbie, and a coupla of his buddies just returned from their annual pilgrimage to Yankee Stadium last weekend. They sat out in the right field bleachers for all 3 games. They didn't have any problems at all. Never do. Course it probably helps that they were all wearing Yankee t-shirts and hats.

Dan, he brought me back a retro #7 shirt. He's now officially back in the will.

I'll be at the Stadium on September 18 for a Sox/Yanks game. I'm having a hard time deciding what my attire will be. I always buy a home team cap, so I'll have a Yanks hat on, and maybe I'll wear a Sox t-shirt, but I'm not sure if I'm prepared to take my life in my hands.

Whoa, guys! I wouldn't rave about the treatment of Yankee fans at Fenway. I ran across plenty of jerks when I'd catch a game at Fenway during my grad student years. You are going to find jerks rooting for any team, especially where there is a big rivalry.

Thought I heard something on the radio like that about Curry. Too bad for NC. But, they don't need him to win another championship. Obviopusly, NC thought so too. Better to stay clear of troublesome players....Providence learned about that with Marvin Barnes in the 70's. Zero tolerance is the best policy.