What do you guys think of the Bird comments?

Not looking for a debate on whether he is right or not, but what do you think about this as officials?

Bird's Comments

Peace

I don't look at the NBA as an official. I'm justa fan, ... sometimes. (<I>Tonight, is one of those times.</I>)

We ran a fantasy NBA league.
One guy took all Caucasians, including Europeans.
...Finished a distant last.

Bird seemed to imply the financial game needed more white Americans. I don't care.
Bird said African-Americans are superior athletes. I don't disagree.

What are you looking for?

mick

I am just looking for opinions. I know I was not outraged or upset by the comments. I just wanted to see if anyone out there felt the same or different.

Peace

I guess it doesn't give me that sick feeling that some racial remarks cause. It's his opinion and he's expressing it without offense, which is unusual. OTherwise, I'm with mick -- who cares? I don't care what Larry Bird thinks, and I don't care whether it's a black man's game or not. It's just a big *YAWN*.

Jmo, but from an official's standpoint, there's no story here and nothing to think about. Race, creed, religion, etc. hasn't got anything to do with us. Or shouldn't have anything to do with us, to be a little cynical. Officials should stear completely away from these debates. If you want to give an opinion, it should be as an individual, and not as an official. There should never be any other stance taken by an official other than "all players, coaches, etc. are created equal, and will be treated as such".

YU.P.
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by JRutledge Officials should <U>stear</U> completely <U>away</U> from these debates.

Stear away : Keep the bovine waste in another pasture.
mick

Re: YU.P.
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mick

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee Quote: Originally posted by JRutledge Officials should <U>stear</U> completely <U>away</U> from these debates. Stear away : Keep the bovine waste in another pasture. mick

And to think that I useta post about what a great official you were too. Well, I'm gonna steer away from that now too. Or maybe make you into a stear when you're not looking. :eek:

Re: Re: YU.P.
 

You don't hafta do all that!
I just need a hug.
mick

Not pointing any fingers at anyone here because I don't think anyone here is blowing this out of proportion, but how is this any different than the interview the other day on ESPN witha black football coach saying that, "we need more black head football coaches in college ball."? The only difference is it is a black man making the comment, that is why noone says anything. People are always afraid to say anything because they don't want to offend anyone. Guess what no matter what you say you will offends someone. There will always be someone that doesn't like what you say. Back to the coach and college football. Personally I would like to think that if a black coach is qualified for the job and they were the best interview that they would get the job. Now we all know that in some cases this doesn't happen, but I would like to think that more time than not it does. Reminds me of the Detroit Lion when they hired Marriuchi (sp?). They knew they wanted him, they knew he wantted to be there. They tried to follow NFL rules by interviewing "minority" canididates, but those candidates knew they had no chance so they turned down the interview. Detroit still gets fines for not interviewing minority candidates. Why were they punished for going out and getting what they wanted, why were they penalized when it was mutual to not waste each others time? If the white guy can play and he is the best on the team he will be a superstar, but Larry is right, this is a black mans game and black athletes are more time than not superior to their white counterparts. It is a fact not an opinion. Look at all of the record books, especially T&F.

My two cents, maybe only worth a penny!

sohl -- I don't know about others, but I didn't say anything because I don't care. I don't care what that person's opinion is, I don't care whether there are more or less black football coaches. The only reason I dind't say I didn't care about that one, was because no one asked. JR asked. I commented that I don't care.

I do agree that we need more reasonable people to express their opinions. Mostly, the only opinions we hear are offensive, and so when we want to speak we don't want to sound like Savage or Limbaugh or whoever else is expressing racism on the airwaves. More thoughtful, considered expressions should be more widely circulated so that it can be seen how to do the thinking process. That way those of us in the mushy middle wouldn't have to feel guilty about noticing realities.

This really doesn't address the topic perfectly, but it's related. Bill Russell used to say that, in the "old days", there was a quota of how many black players a team would put on the court at one time. If you were the home team - two. If you were the visitors - three. If you got behind - five.

rain,

I hope you don't think I was calling you out. This post was directed at no one and everyone at the same time. Sorry if that is the way it came across. I too could'nt really care less what most people think on most topics, but if we didn't discuss opinions we would not have anything to talk about.

As others have said, I really couldn't care less what Larry Bird thinks about this...it's his opinion and he certainly has the right to express it - whether it is racist or not, he has the right to express his opinion. That's the great thing about living in this country - we can express an opinion whether it offends anyone or not. This fear of offending people has gone way too far, IMO...as a side note, the clips I have seen of the Bird comments show Magic and LeBron James sitting there laughing, nodding their heads, and agreeing with what Bird is saying...

I hadn't heard of the comments before today. I'm a big Bird fan, being up here in Massachusetts. I think the comments aren't particularly diplomatic, but they're not particularly offensive, either. I don't think anyone can deny that at the pro level, the vast majority of the players are black. But as others have said, so what? He was insulted when defended by white players? Again, so what? I think that was supposed to be a complement to black players, but honestly it sounds kind of dumb to me.

As Bron or 'Melo said, if you can play the game, nobody cares what color you are.

Then again, if Isaiah Thomas were white, he'd be just another average General Manager. :)

I've been thinking about this post, and Larry Bird's comments, a lot. It concerns me when people start talking about racial superiority in any form or fashion, even when a person of one race speaks of the superiority of another race. Bird makes a blanket statement about the superiority of African-American athletes which, on the surface, when you look at the make-up of D1 and pro basketball teams, appears to be true. But, I think there's more to it than race.

Take the SI article a few weeks ago, which asked why fewer African-Americans play baseball anymore. Its not because whites or hispanics are superior. It has a lot to do with culture, opportunity and, simply, sport preference.

I'll use my 15 year-old son as an example. He's white. We live in a suburb north of Atlanta, a predominately white area. Its almost impossible for my son to find a good game of pick-up basketball where we live. So, he spends a lot of time alone, doing shooting and ballhandling drills. Sometime, we'll drive an hour to Run 'N' Shoot, an indoor basketball facility on the south side of town. Several times we have been the only white people in the gym. Is the gym full of superior athletes? No. Its full of people who play basketball all the time. My son holds his own because he plays basketball all the time.

I mean, there are exceptions - Kobe, Tracy, Vince, etc. But, was Kareem a superior athlete, or a person with an incredible work ethic?

Sorry for the long post. I just think when we start talking about racial superiority we start heading down a slippery slope.

Really? Wow...from just reading the article I got the impression that Lebron & Carmello were disagreeing with Bird & Magic.

OTOH, of course they're going to laugh it up with Bird & Magic...what are they gonna do? Tell Bird & Magic to STFU because they don't know what they're talking about? ;)

I think you make a great point. But I do believe that most Athletes in America are African-American. But it is not because of some genetic disposition. It is because of opportunity and focus. It is the very reason that all around the world, some of the most successful atheletes are some of the poorest communities. When you have little economic opportunity in other aspects of life, you tend to focus on athletics and especially those sports that are not very expensive to play (Soccer and basketball for example). I think this is the very reason African-Americans excel at basketball. There is a basketball court in every poor community in the country. There are only a very small percentage of communities that have a hockey rink for example.

Sports are completely about opportunity and focus. The reason that the Williams sisters are just about the only Black players on the world circuit. I am sure they could have been just as good of basketball players or track athletes if their Father focused them in that direction. But instead he choose Tennis and they are where they are today because of that focus.

Peace

I'm just going by the clips they showed on the news this a.m., but it didn't seem like there was much disagreement there...otoh, like you said, what are they gonna say??? Bird has never struck me as being very concerned about the whole PC thing, or really caring what others think - so he says what he wants...

Some of the interview ran last night on Sports Center. And yes, Carmello, LeBron, and Magic were laughing and nodding in agreement to some of the things Bird said.

My thoughts:
Not everything that is said regarding races should be considered racist. I didn't find Dusty Baker's remarks offensive, and thy were probably stronger comments than Bird's. Quite honestly, I think some of Bird's remarks, about being guarded by a white guy, were said somewhat tongue in cheek but also with a some honesty.

My guess is that the demographics have changed with regards to NBA fans. I think there are probably fewer white fans than in the past. I know I don't watch it as much as I used to. It has nothing to do with there being fewer white players in the league. I'm just not as interested in the league since Jerry Reinsdorf and Jerry Krause broke up the Bulls. I usually watch the playoffs but hey, I even watch hockey playoffs. Jordan transcended race AND sport making the NBA much more popular with fans of all races.

I'm in the schools everyday. Most of the kids wearing NBA jerseys are black males. I think it's obvious that these youngsters want to emulate and watch successful black athletes. It just seems natural to me for there to be more black viewers drawn to the NBA.

And hopefully, I didn't offend anyone. :)

Admittedly I'm guessing - and so are you of course - but right off the bat I would have to disagree with this, unless you confine your definition of an athlete to some sports like football, basketball and maybe some track events. I bet the ncaa keeps these statistics somewhere though.

But I do agree that the sport a particular athlete winds up focussing on is not just due to his ability, but due to his opportunity and even pressure from parents & peers.

Explains why you see more hockey players than water polo players coming out of the northeast and Canada than in Arizona & Southern California.

And vice versa.

Great point...similar with Muhammad Ali and Joe Dimaggio...but Barry Bonds could be a Korean born in Australia and he would still be a jerk. As would Roger Clemens.

Well basketball and football are near the top of the most played sports in America. The NF has listed that information every year, not sure it is on their website.

In my area there are Hockey and Lacross teams for example, but they are club sports and not supported by the IHSA. Only a very small percentage of schools have any of these sports and it is usually in the more affluent communities. And these are communities that are not bubbling over with people of color in those schools. Even in the NHL, there are way more players from other countries than from America. The TV ratings are also a reflection of that as well.

This also explains why many pro basketball athletes come from Chicago, New York or Philly as well. And many other pro football players come from Dallas, Miami or the many other communities that have a great deal of African-Americans.

Peace

fwiw, ncaa report on ethnicity. remember, this is an ncaa report so it's not reflective of the entire US population.

lots of charts, have fun.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/research...cityReport.pdf

How is different from other comments about Larry Bird
 

A few weeks ago, there were some talking heads on ESPN that were black talking about Larry Bird and saying that if he was not white, there would not be anyone talking about him. They said he was not that good, his reputation was overblown...all because he was white.

This seemed a bit more racial than the article you are discussing.

When I first saw this story, I thought it had been planted by Bill Parcells to get the heat off.

First off, Bird is from small-town Indiana, despite having been a millionaire all these years. While he is not a racist, he is a product of his environment and will express things in a way that may not always seem politically correct.

There is a segment of the population that will no longer watch professional basketball now that black players frequently make up the entire rotation for many teams, with white players in largely mop-up roles. But these morons will not come back for one or two token white stars, and the NBA is better off without them, anyway.

There are fans that would root for players of there own background, whether ethnic or geographic, but very few under 30 who see things simply in such black and white terms. The younger fans don't remember any other situation and are just watching the game. In this respect we have something to learn from them.

There are people in power in the NBA who think in black and white (witness the Knicks' Scott Layden bringing in all the Utahans and foeigners, and Isaiah Thomas's swift dispatching of them, for example), but I think they don't understand that in today's world, people just want to see the best players.

Not just at the watercooler.
 

Come to my local Barbershop on the Southside of Chicago, you might change your mind. Not to say that things are not different, but there are still conversations about race and many other aspects of society. Race still matters in this country, it just is not about segregation anymore.

Peace

I probably come from a more ethnically diverse neighborhood than most of you (notice - I did not say "all" so let's not have a pissing contest) having grown up on the south side of Chicago. When I was a kid (before dirt was discovered), I played baseball, basketball and football with virtually every kind of kid ever invented. We didn't care what color, religion or ancestry a kid was - he could either hit or he couldn't - he could either catch or he couldn't - he could either shoot or he couldn't.

I've tried to live my life by those same principles. People are individuals. They're either good or bad or somewhere in between. I consider everyone to be good unless or until they demonstrate to me that they are otherwise.

I hope I've taught my kids to feel the same way.

Someday, the genome project will finish proving conclusively that there's no such thing as "race" as we think of it anyway - only similarity of genetic tagging. Then maybe we can put all this bull behind us and get on with making this world a better place for everyone.

Sorry, I had to get serious for a moment because this is the subject (discrimination of any kind) I feel strongest about.

And no - I'm not running for office. I'm just trying to change the world, one bigot at a time.

Mark, I don't care what they say about you (that Juulie keeps telling me what a big jerk you are), you're all right.

I guess our experiences are along the same lines, having both grown up in the parts of the big city the tourists avoid. So I suppose you're not including the french in this group hug. Right?

Reminds me of a greeting card I saw:

(Front) Everyone says you act crazy, but I stuck up for you, I said,

(inside) "Hey, that's no act!"

Still, the majority of players across all levels (NCAA, HS, and Pros) track the demographics of the country. This is true even in basketball unless you limit it to only NCAA Div. 1 and NBA and then only by a very small margin. In HS, the player will largely reflect their communities.

Larger percentages of athletes of any sport will come from the large cities (except maybe calf roping). It's simply statistics. When you have 3 million people in a city, you're much more likely to have 10 physically talented people than the entire state of Nebraska (substitute any lightly populated state). Additionally, with higher densities of talented players, it pushes the ones around them to compete at a higher level thus raising the bar. Race has nothing to do with that part of it (if even any part).

Like others have mentioned, I think location is more of an issue than race in many sports. Texas is 75% white, Florida is 78%. A tremendous amount of pro football players come from these areas because these are probably the strongest two states in the country in HS football.

Stay In Your Primary
 

It's nice to see officials stay in there primary!

You mean that bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys? Hey - I refer to them in a geographical, not ethnic, context. ;)

I didn't find what Larry was saying offensive. I thought he rambled on a bit when he was talking about how he used to think that his game was getting disrespected when a white guy guarded him. That was kind of a weird... that he actually analyzed it that much. But since the interviewer had created a "black/white" conversation with his questions, I think all of them were just kind of thinking out loud and making it up as they went along.

I did disagree with his thinking that the NBA audience, being mainly white, needed a white superstar. Yes, I loved to watch Larry Bird when he played. However, I enjoyed watching Magic just as much (or more) and the highest interest I ever had for the NBA was when Michael Jordan was playing (his Chicago days only!). When I was a kid, I loved Dr. J, David Thompson and George Gervin. Come to think of it, Larry Bird may have been the only white player that I ever really followed at all.

Z

It makes no difference to me. I would not walk across the street to watch an NBA game. So I do not care what the color of the players are.

Demographics can be misleading
 

If by this you mean that sports reflect the demographics of the entire country, then I have to disagree. The white population is still the majority and yet the majority of players in the NBA are black. If the NBA followed demographics we see a great deal more whites in professional basketball. That does not bother me. I believe that the best players make it and that in general happen to be the black players.

There's a push to get more black drivers into NASCAR to reflect the national demographics. I think its a mistake to insist that you have to have an equal representation. When you do, you make race the issue and not skill. I have no problem with any ethnic group trying to make it in any sport or profession. However, they need to make it on merit. And I'm sure there are qualified black drivers out there. If a case can be made that more blacks are not in NASCAR because of racism, then something should be done about it. But lets not declare victory because we have increased the number of black drivers to a level that reflects the demographics. Its not about numbers, but skill.

I hope no one takes anything I said as racist. Its always a little dicey when you talk about race. Skin color does not matter to me. Its what comes out of a person that defines them in my opinion. Not whats on the outside.

Now for a little humor. I understand why there are not a lot of black hockey players. Think aout. Would you want a bunch of white guys with sticks chasing you?

Re: Demographics can be misleading
 

I think saying, "Skin color does not matter to me" is a great way to say it. The people I have trouble with are the wones who say, "Skin color does not matter." That's a very dangerous position to take.

Re: Demographics can be misleading
 

Basketball has the largest representation of black of any major sport. If you add all of the athletes that play basketball together (NBA + NCAA + HS), the overwhelming majority are white. The NCAA stats were linked by someone above and over 50% were white across all the NCAA. The NBA is a majority black but the NBA has so few players they don't change the overall balance.

For HS, the numbers very highly reflect the individual communities...not precisely but in general. I haven't seen the HS numbers but they will dwarf the NCAA numbers just like the number of NCAA participants dwarf the number in the NBA.

Re: Re: Demographics can be misleading
 

Wow...this was the first I heard of Bird's comments and I must say I'm disappointed. For the most part because I don't think he makes a whole lot of sense.

1. Bird is falling into prejudice and stereotyping when talking about be disrespected by having a white guy guard him. Apparently, in Bird's mind, the fact that you're white means you can't play defense. Well, why couldn't someone else have an equally ridiculous opinion that the fact that your white means you've got not offense? I don't know if I'm explaining this well, but it seems Bird says...white = no good...so why wouldn't the opposing coach use the same logic. BTW, anyone remember guys like Bobby Jones - sixers - wasn't he a pretty good defender...and white?

2. As far as the league needing more white guys, I don't go along with it. The younger generations (for the most part) see less of a separation between races. Young white kids have no problem looking up to black athletes...and buying their shoes...and buying their jerseys... True, some more "mature" (read "older") individuals may prefer to cheer for someone with the same skin color, but I don't think that's the rule anymore. I don't think the league "needs" more white players. If it happens, it happens. It it doesn't, it doesn't.

To paraphrase Kevin McHale: Someone should hang Chuck from the roof of the Silverdome and just slap the (bleep) out of him.:D

[Edited by just another ref on Jun 16th, 2004 at 01:22 AM]

True? Not freaking likely! And it was a "RULE" at one time? Howinthehell do you plan on backing up that kinda statement? I'm "older" and I sureashell don't remember any RULE like that ever being in place.

Please don't try to equate age with discriminatory practises, unless you can post PROOF at the same time that your statement IS really "true". That horse won't ride. Bigotry isn't just confined to certain age groups. You're falling into the same prejudice and stereotyping that you tried to blame Bird of in your post above.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Jun 16th, 2004 at 03:23 AM]

Pot, say hello to Mr. Kettle.

You two are gonna get along great.

Jurassic and Dan (sorry, I don't have this "cut and paste" thing down),

I did not mean to state directly or imply that if you're "old" you are racist or prejudiced. What I did mean to say, directly or imply, was that I do believe age can play a role in this area. If you noticed, I did use the words "some" and "may." I don't claim it to be fact. And, I certainly don't know you, Jurassic or Dan (as you don't know me), so it was not a statement about you personally. I do apologize if it offended.

I do believe that as time passes race issues are improving...not that they are perfect...but improving.

In the book, "And The Walls Came Tumbling Down," Frank Fitzpatrick writes about the 1966 NCAA championship game between Kentucky and Texas Western, which Texas Western won. He writes, "For the first time in NCAA championship history, one of the starting teams was entirely black (Texas Western)." And, "For much of mainstream America then, the notion that a team playing only blacks might be able to defeat a well-coached, talented white squad - a team like Kentucky - was preposterous."
I don't think this is prepsoterous now, for much of mainstream America - young or old - and for that I'm thankful.

Some Jews might be cheap.
Some Blacks might be lazy.
Some Irish might be drunks.
Some French might be cheese eating surrender monkeys.

You mean like that?

(Obviously the last one is true but I think you get my point.)

Common guys.
 

With all due respect, there are people of a certain generation that are more likely to have certain values, that are not commonly held today. Even though I agree that older folks are not inheriently racist, but they do tend to hold on to views that were apart of the their time. And if you do not think so, let someone's daughter bring me home and see what their parents think.

I am not trying to get into a major debate about race, but it is just like people of a certain generation are very patriotic, while people of another generation are much more likely to question our government and the system of government.

There is no question here, there are people that are not aware of the common pop culture treads and practices of people in my generation. One of the very reasons there are folks that do not understand what "PEACE" means when I use it in all my posts.

Peace

Re: Common guys.
 

I have to agree absolutely with Rut here. I have seen it in action. My wife's father was brought up that way and he explicilty voiced his opinion about his daughters bringing home a black man. Don't get me wrong, he isn't the type to go out and burn a cross, although he doesn't live to far from where all of that started, but he does have strong opinions that my wife, her sisters, her step-mother and I don't agree with. So, it may be weeding itself out to a degree, but it isn't that far behind us either.

There are 2 types of people in this world: those who make the mistake of blindly lumping people into groups and those who don't. Those of you claiming that "older" folks tend to be racists - or at least more racist than the younger set - should remember this.

As much as I agree of not lumping folks into groups, there are many things we can learn about people based on a group. One of those markers are the age of the individuals. You do not see adults of a certain age as a rule sagging their pants. The same goes for values and certain expectations.

Peace

We're getting far off the track here but there's a word for defining a person based on your perception of their group - stereotyping. If the police do this it's called something else - illegal (generally).

Re: Re: Common guys.
 

You both are just stereotyping. Nothing more, nothing less.

You do not see adults of a certain age as a rule sagging their pants. The same goes for values and certain expectations.

[/B][/QUOTE]What age are you talking about? I've seen SOME teenagers doing this as part of their fashion statement . I've also seen SOME older people do this because their a$$ has simply disappeared with age. There's also plenty of "plumber's butt" jokes going around about SOME people in between those two ends of the spectrum. Whoops. Almost forgot saggy diapers too. That moved the age spectrum even lower. :D

The point is that something may hold true for some part of a certain segment of any age group. That doesn't mean that the same characteristic holds true for ALL the people in that age group. If you try to represent that as being so, then you are stereotyping.

And I can also say that I've seen the same values, whether they're depicted as being "good" or "bad", exhibited across a whole range of age groups- from youngsters to old farts. Doesn't mean that they are typical of any specific age group though.

So are you saying that only old people fart??? How stereotypical is that?? I'm not old and I can toot with the best of them!! :)

So are you saying that only old people fart??? How stereotypical is that?? I'm not old and I can toot with the best of them!!
[/B][/QUOTE]
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I am not speaking about a specific age. And I agree that because one person holds certain characteristic traits or beliefs it does not mean those traits or beliefs are typical among that persons's "group," whether that group be age, gender, race, or whatever.

I do think that if you look at generations, it would be more likely that an older generation would have a higher percentage of individuals who hold racist or prejudiced beliefs, which has a lot to do with the society they grew up in, when compared to a younger generation. And I think it is more likely that if someone's pants are hanging off their hips, that person will be younger (and that is with all plumbers included). Isn't it true that biracial couples are accepted more today - not always, but more - than in past decades?

Someone who grew up in the 40's or 50's had to deal with race on a much different level than someone who grew up in the 70's or 80's. I believe that it is easier for teens growing up today to be more open and accepting of individuals based on race, when compared to growing up in past generations.

Now, because you don't agree with me does that mean you'll no longer provide me with much needed input and answers to my basketball questions? :)

Very well put...

To handle this in a way that's less likely to offend, say it in terms of sub-culture. "It's more acceptable in such-and-such a sub-culture to speak your mind." "The so-and-so sub-culture attaches meanings to that word that you and I might not realize." "That gesture is much more offensive in the yada-yada sub-culture" Describe the difference in value-neutral terms, and use the expression, "sub-culture." This isn't covering up bias or prejudice. It's a way to talk about subtle differences in our society that may exist, but can be uncomfortable to examine.

You can also ASK, rather than TELL. "Do you find that some people cling to the culture of the 50's and have trouble letting go of the racial prejudices of that time?" "When you say that, do you get a negative response?" "Have you ever heard that word, and wondered if you heard something different from what the speaker was trying to say?" The question can't be too pointed, or it sounds manipulative, but it can gently lead, if you do it carefully.

Please re-read your two statements above. They contradict the hell out of each other. Why would it be more likely that older generations would have racist tendencies when you also state that some older members of that generation who maybe do have those beliefs, or racial tendencies, aren't typical of that age group anyway. Doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me.

Stereotyping, Nu1. Bottom line.

I tried this cut and paste / quote thing - don't know if it will work.
If you re-read my statement you'll see I said it would be more likely that older generations would have a higher percentage of individuals with racist tendencies WHEN COMPARED to younger generations. If you use the below definition of "typical," as found on Merriam-Webster online, I don't think my statements contradict each other at all. I agree that racist tendencies are not "essential characteristics" of any age group. I do however think one age group can have higher percentages of individuals who have racists beliefs when compared to other age groups. If two age groups are compared, they're either the same, close, or one is higher than the other. Just my opinion. We'll agree to disagree.

1 : constituting or having the nature of a type : SYMBOLIC
2 a : combining or exhibiting the essential characteristics of a group

You still didn't answer my question. Are you now going to withhold you officiating knowledge?

You still didn't answer my question. Are you now going to withhold your officiating knowledge?

[/B][/QUOTE]You weren't really serious about this, were you? We disagreed on one specific thing. Happens all the time on this forum, even amongst the people that have posted here for years and usually agree on most things. It's never a biggie, really, when anyone here happens to disagree with someone else. As for MY officiating knowledge, let me set you straight on something. There are all kinds of posters that come here who have just as much officiating knowledge as I have, if not more. There's really a buncha sharp dudes and dudettes here. Believe me, you'll get all of your questions answered, and also good advice proffered to you at the same time, no matter what. I learn a lot by coming here, the same as anyone else. Keeps me current on the new rules and interpretations too.

Hey Nu1
 

He continues to answer my questions. ;)

Peace

You weren't really serious about this, were you? We disagreed on one specific thing. Happens all the time on this forum, even amongst the people that have posted here for years and usually agree on most things. It's never a biggie, really, when anyone here happens to disagree with someone else. As for MY officiating knowledge, let me set you straight on something. There are all kinds of posters that come here who have just as much officiating knowledge as I have, if not more. There's really a buncha sharp dudes and dudettes here. Believe me, you'll get all of your questions answered, and also good advice proffered to you at the same time, no matter what. I learn a lot by coming here, the same as anyone else. Keeps me current on the new rules and interpretations too. [/B][/QUOTE]

Not really serious. Just wanted to make sure we ended on a cordial note :)

Re: Hey Nu1
 

And whether I know the right answers or not doesn't stop me either. :D

No it doesn't! :mad:

Wrong.

Again.

:rolleyes:

Well, I guess that I deserved that. Shoulda known better by now.

Ah! So true! :D

It's no wonder you three are all over 3500 posts - the way you beat on each other all the time!!

Holy sh1te...you're right.

I'm gonna shut up now

DOH! 3538 now!!!

[Edited by Dan_ref on Jun 17th, 2004 at 04:51 PM]

Yer a reat ref ,dj !
 

dj,
...And so are they all, all honorable men....
mick