I had one this sunday. Working with a seasoned veteren in the chapter during a 14U AAU girls tourny on saturday. 2 man crew - i was headed down the court as new lead and the defender that was following the dribbler peels off i get set on the end line. Another defender sets up, legaly obtains postion and BAM! textbook charge out of a boys game. I called it and my paretner looked at me funny. It was defintly something to talk about in the locker room at half-time.

I don't get it. What's so strange about a charge call in a girls' game?

I'm confused too...

If anything I have more PC fouls in girls games. They tend to chicken wing the defense more than the boys.

Count me in as also lost.

Z

Maybe the first defender that peeled off was the player who ran over the other defender! :eek: That would draw some funny looks.

Or perhaps this girls AAU tournament was being played with NCAA women's rules and the defender was under the basket where the call has to be a block.

I'm not sure if this is universal or not, but around here the good girls' teams tend to be more fundamentally sound; hence better defensive position.

Ace, why was this not normal? How did your conversation go at half time?

"Lucy, you got some 'splainin to do." Ace, you've got us all confused.

We play great defense, try to draw at least one charge per game. I guess it is considered to be just a boys thing, but methinks Ace is sadly mistaken.

If anything, there are not enough PC Fouls called period. And that does not matter what side of the gender we are talking about.

Peace

got that right!
 

I dont know, maybe its because I only called a few girls games here and there this season but I just dont see defenders getting in the way and standing there to take a charge. My partner had called some girls varsity games this past year and he said he only saw a few actual charges the past year. Now player control we had a lot of girls throwing the elbow and what not. We only averaged about 5 jump balls a game though so that wasnt too bad. I dont know. I just dont see girls getting out and staying int he line of a drive like guys do. The coach said that was the first time anyone had called a charge on any of players and that i must of have missed something. :rolleyes:

If his player never charged before, clearly they couldn't have done it this time. What were you thinking when you called that? You should study the player history more before you go to call a game :)

...this is where the confusion began for me

LOL

I'm trying really hard not to flame you for this. One season, my varsity girls' basketball team took 34 charges in 26 games.

The JH team in my program this year (13- & 14-year-olds) took 11 in 16 games.

Now, PA, calm down. The poor guy is a men's official. You gotta give him a little pity for that.

I tend to give the benefice of the doubt to the defender who got a good defensive position. I try to referee the defense. I agree that there's often more charge on a girl's game than a boy's game.

I agree with apart of that.
 

Now that I completely agree with. Not because I do not like girl's basketball, but because I do not see girl's purposely trying to draw charges like boy's do. Whether it is coaching or understanding of the game, every boy's game I have, you see players purposely flopping and trying to draw charges all the time. Even when they do not get the calls, they try several times a game. I do not see girl's flopping or what I would think as a purposeful attempt to draw a charge most of the time (when I have worked them). Now that of course changes when they get to college and you are talking about the better teams. But when they are at the HS level and below, I do not see this as much. Most of the PC fouls I see and call at the girl's level, are for the dribbler using her forearm to clear out a player. Not so much of the defender getting to a spot and being ran over.

Peace

...it's called Cordination...or lack thereof.

Not that I watch a whole lot of girls games, but the little I see, many girls don't seem to be able to move their feet quick enough to actually get good guarding postion and the oncoming dribbler is not skilled enough to dribble around their opponent...thus, a collision.

Please don't get your feelings hurt ladies...God made the boys more cordinated so they could "hunt and gather"...I guess the girls had to get something, so they got the brains...or something like that. ;)

Give me a break, Rookie, you haven't read any newspapers or magazine lately? Girls have progressed a little since the "hunt and gather" era. Maybe you should, too.

...insert Cro-magnum man here: D)



Lighten up little lady...you opened the door when ya took a jab at that poor pitiful guy that is a men's official.

Now Juulie.
 

I do not agree completely with the "hunt and gather" comment. But Juulie, you have to admit if nothing else that boys play sports much earlier than girls and might just be a little more used to athletic play, which can affect what happens on a court. I know I played basketball and many other sports not only organized, but games on the playground where no officials were around.

Boys jump faster, run faster and are quicker. Not every girl is Candance Parker. And even she can slightly dunk as compared to most boys her same age. It does affect the type of things that happen when they play the game of basketball.

Peace

Juulie, in physical ability girls haven't changed much at all. Only the perception of what they can do is catching up with what they can do.

However, I feel Rookie's comment was only meant to draw the image that males and females are built differently and for different purposes. There is no denying that they are physically different and will forever be different (not better, just different). Men (at their peak ability) will always run faster and jump higher and will always be physically stronger. Among other things, women have better detailed dexterity are typically better communicators.

Agree completely. Wimmen were just never meant to "hunt and gather", or play sports either. I think that's because wimmen are missing an extra gene or something that us men have that allows us to throw balls right,etc. Men go to war. Wimmen make flags while we're doing it(see Betsy Ross). And you're right about us men being more cordinated (except maybe for not knowing how to spell it) so we could hunt and gather. But it's not really accurate to say that the wimmen got the brains to compensate. They actually got bigger hips so that they could better do what God put them on Earth for.

Btw, don't think that I'm against Wimmen's Rights. I'm not. Personally, I think that it's cute when the gals get all riled up about it.

I always luv it when that durn Grandpa JR comes to little ol' sissy's rescue. He ed-uee-kates me in soooo many ways. Heck, when I miss-spell those there words...he takes me out to the virtual (I had too look that big ol' word up) wood shed!
Thanks again, Gramps, for your won-dee-fur insight...you ain't only the best but da smartest.

(Dexter!...I'm gonna hav ta proof read these here things a little better)

Heeeeey, I'm trying to be serious here.Missy (not Sissy) ain't getting my help. Nosiree, Dudey!!

Maybe I need to ed-uee-kate you when you misspell "miss-spell". :D

Wimmen are good spellers. They learn all that while we're out hunting and gathering. As a matter of fact, I'm seriously thinking of going out "hunting and gathering" myself tonight. Hunting and gathering wimmen, that is!

Ya know what..I'm gonna go stand over there...I hear she aint such a good shot when she's P.O.'ed...

...well...the bigger hips are good

Holy sh1t

ya know what, I'm just gonna go home now...

Hey Cuzin Dan, don't take off now, ya all...come on over tanight an will drink us some moonshine and listen to that good ol' boy Jeff Foxworthy. ;)

Then later we can all go down to the Bingo Palace and check out Gramps "huntin up wimmen". :D

Call it PMS, if that'll make you feel superior, but I don't think saying women aren't as coordinated as men is quite in the same vein as feeling sorry for someone who works mostly men's basketball. You just stay up there in the Trying-Hard-Cities, and leave me alone. I'll shuffle my way through my clumsy girls' games down here quite happily without you.

No smilie. But no one needs to run for cover either. Remember, I'm a pacifist.

Part of me was thinking I should take this back. But then I saw the part about .... did you really say "Lighten up, little lady?" Sheez. Absolutely beyond belief.

[Edited by rainmaker on May 28th, 2004 at 07:37 PM]

HeeeeeeHaw!

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You just stay up there in the Trying-Hard-Cities, and leave me alone.

[/B][/QUOTE]Lighten up, little lady.

You <b>knew</b> that was coming! :D

Lighten up, little lady.

You <b>knew</b> that was coming! :D [/B][/QUOTE]

I guess so. It wouldn't have killed me to be disappointed.

Now I'm gonna go drive 50 miles to the only pharmacy in the entire Portland/Vancouver Metropolitan Area that has the medication my son needs, even though it's just to hold him over for a week until the special order stuff comes in and gets "compounded." Boy, am I depressed...