re-jump - different scenario

JugglingReferee

Here in ontario, we use Federation rules. The rest of Canada uses other rules. Either FIBA or NC2A.

..Mike

Back In The Saddle

Gary Brendemuehl wrote
Violation on A1, B gets the ball and the arrow. See casebook 6.3.1C, part d.

I don't have my case book here in the office, but it seems pretty fishy to me that B would get the ball and the arrow. For an OOB violation on the tip, the non-violating team gets the ball and the violating team gets the arrow. Why the double-penalty for a jump ball violation?

Stat-Man

I think NFHS changed the rule a year or two ago so that if A1 commits a jump ball violation, B gets the ball, and A gets the arrow.

I seem to remember this change being highlighted on the NFHS site.:cool:

ChuckElias

Ray, what on earth possessed you to dig up a 5 year old thread?!?! 🙂

Back then those answers were correct, but the FED changed the rule to match the NCAA rule. If Jumper A1 catches the jump ball, it's a violation. Team B gets the ball, Team A gets the arrow.

BktBallRef

Back In The Saddle wrote
I don't have my case book here in the office, but it seems pretty fishy to me that B would get the ball and the arrow. For an OOB violation on the tip, the non-violating team gets the ball and the violating team gets the arrow. Why the double-penalty for a jump ball violation?

5 years ago, Team B got the ball and the arrow as the possession by A1 meant that Team A gained control. It was indeed a double penalty.

Stop digging in the archives. 🙂

refTN

Jerry Baldwin wrote
All of the posts above are correct. As a new official just remember that either jumper may tap the ball twice and then the ball must touch the floor or a non jumper before either jumper can grab the ball. If either jumper violates, the other team gets the ball and the arrow since player & team control was established by the catch. Good luck.

So you are saying if the ball touches the floor then any of the jumpers can get it. I did not know that. I just thought it was if another player touches then the jumper can touch it.

BktBallRef

refTN, don't you own a rule book? 😀

4-28-3
The jump ball begins when the ball leaves the referee's hand(s) and ends when the touched ball contacts a nonjumper, the floor, a basket or backboard.

6-3-7
Neither jumper shall:
a. Touch the tossed ball before it reaches its highest point.
b. Leave the center restraining circle until the ball has been touched.
c. Catch the jump ball.
d. Touch the ball more than twice.
The jump ball and these restrictions end when the touched ball contacts one of the eight nonjumpers, the floor, a basket or backboard.

Mark Padgett

Many years ago, I was working a game with the immortal Dave. I was ref, he was umpire. I tossed. A1 tipped the ball, it hit B1 on the shoulder and then A1 grabbed it. Dave didn't blow his whistle and I wasn't really paying attention to that area so play continued. At the first break, coach B asked us why A1 was allowed to do that. Dave told him the ball had hit a "non-jumper" so it was legal. As we walked away, I asked Dave who the "non-junper" was. He said it was B1 - he had worked a number of his games and he hadn't seen him jump yet! 🙄

Back In The Saddle

ChuckElias wrote
Ray, what on earth possessed you to dig up a 5 year old thread?!?! 🙂

Back then those answers were correct, but the FED changed the rule to match the NCAA rule. If Jumper A1 catches the jump ball, it's a violation. Team B gets the ball, Team A gets the arrow.

I ... ummmm ... hmmm, well, I was roaming around, in the archives apparently, and lost my way. My wife suggested I stop at the corner Chevron for directions. Like that's gonna happen! 😀 Then I got so excited to read a question I knew the answer to, I didn't bother the check the "born on" date. 😮

BTW, I wouldn't have hedged my response so much except Gary quoted the case book. But even though I didn't realize this was such an old thread at the time, I was pretty sure he was reading an old case book. 😉

Back In The Saddle

BktBallRef wrote
5 years ago, Team B got the ball and the arrow as the possession by A1 meant that Team A gained control. It was indeed a double penalty.

Stop digging in the archives. 🙂

It's just such a novelty to have search back again! 😀

Mark Padgett

Back In The Saddle wrote
It's just such a novelty to have search back again! 😃

I know. Now if I can just find those old threads started by Dr. Naismith! 🙂