Elbows

aiem · #1 (**permalink**) Mon May 31, 2004, 04:26pm

A1 and B2 are running down the court in transition, A1 elbows B2. What's the call? Peace

blindzebra · #2 (**permalink**) Mon May 31, 2004, 04:49pm

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Originally posted by aiem
A1 and B2 are running down the court in transition, A1 elbows B2. What's the call? Peace

More info, needed.

Was it a nudge, a hook/swim move, or a shot to the chops?

aiem · #3 (**permalink**) Mon May 31, 2004, 04:59pm

No shot to the chops, just an elbow to the side, get off of me type......

ace · #4 (**permalink**) Mon May 31, 2004, 05:08pm

WHTBT - would have to be there.

aiem · #5 (**permalink**) Mon May 31, 2004, 05:14pm

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WHTBT - would have to be there.

I was just wondering, I called a tech but was informed later by another ref that you can't give a live tech, should have been an intentional. What's your take?

BktBallRef · #6 (**permalink**) Mon May 31, 2004, 05:24pm

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WHTBT - would have to be there.

I was just wondering, I called a tech but was informed later by another ref that you can't give a live tech, should have been an intentional. What's your take?

If the contact constitutes a foul, then it's a personal foul, not an technical foul. Contact fouls during a live ball are personal fouls.

aiem · #7 (**permalink**) Mon May 31, 2004, 05:29pm

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Originally posted by aiem

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Originally posted by ace
WHTBT - would have to be there.

I was just wondering, I called a tech but was informed later by another ref that you can't give a live tech, should have been an intentional. What's your take?

If the contact constitutes a foul, then it's a personal foul, not an technical foul. Contact fouls during a live ball are personal fouls.

So an elbow to the side is just a foul. What foul do you call?

blindzebra · #8 (**permalink**) Mon May 31, 2004, 06:05pm

You could have a personal foul, a player control foul, an intentional foul, or a flagrant foul.

Since you called it a tech, I'd lean toward intentional or flagrant, but since it was below the shoulders an intentional would probably do.

rainmaker · #9 (**permalink**) Mon May 31, 2004, 09:03pm

If it's, "Get off me!" and the motion was intended to be with the arm, but the elbow got there first, I'd call it a personal foul. If the foul-er aimed, cocked and fired, I'd call intentional or flagrant.

BktBallRef · #10 (**permalink**) Mon May 31, 2004, 09:21pm

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So an elbow to the side is just a foul. What foul do you call?

It doesn't really matter. The important thing is that you call it a personal foul. I'd probably call it illegal use of hands or possibly a push but again, that's not the important thing here.