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Originally posted by Indy_Ref

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Originally posted by blindzebra
A. PC on A1
B. T on A1
C. Flagrant T on B2
D. Flagrant T on A1
E. Flagrant T on A6
F. Flagrant T on B6 and B7.

So we'd have 2 free throws for B, for A1's T, and then 2 free throws for A for the second player leaving the bench during a fight and A's ball at division line.

Is this correct? I can't see shooting any FT's! 3 total T's to 3 total T's...and all occurred after the same dead ball. I'd lean toward reporting all the T's and fouls and go with AP.

Check pages 67-68 of the rule book on Summary of fouls and penalties.

You administer in the order they occur, so you have the PC foul and B's ball. The T on A1 occurs so now we'd have 2 FREE THROWS AND B'S BALL. Now we have 2 T's, one on each team for fighting, these offset.Had there been 2 players on A and 1 player on B, THEN B would shoot 2 free throws. Then there were 3 players that left the bench. This does not offset, because there were not equal numbers, so you know have 2 free throws for A and A's ball.

[Edited by blindzebra on Apr 12th, 2004 at 04:14 PM]

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Originally posted by gazou
You know, the kind of game where everything goes wrong and you, as a referee, look bad and worst, feel bad.

The kind of game where you keep rethinking, two or three days after the game, about those calls you should have made and did not make.

The kind of game that wants to make you quit refereeing.

Well, I got one of those.

The worst of it is that we both (the 2 referees) missed a girl kicking intentionnally another girl while being both tangled with the ball for a jumb ball (or possession arrow).The spectators saw it, another referee in the stands saw it, but we still both missed it. Therefore, we could not expel anyone.

Anyone of you live a similar situation? How do you cope with it? How do you motivate yourself to continue being a basketball referee?

Dont know what happened since I was not there, but my suggestion is get to the pile. One official should be in or near the pile the other should be watching the rest of the floor. I have learned from football that there is nothing wron standing over the pile telling players to roll off, untangle, calm down, we there we have it under control. Then if you are right there and something happens it is easy to nail them

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Originally posted by TravelinMan
Case in point - 2 players dive to the floor for loose ball: A fouls B in the process; I go to the table to report foul and while my back is to the players A kicks B while both are still on the floor; my partner doesn't see it (probably took his eye away from players for a split second); I didn't see it because I was reporting original foul...

Anytime you have opposing players on the floor, you have a real potential for trouble. In this situation, I try to never turn my back until everybody is off the floor and the players involved have moved away from each other. The reporting can wait a minute.

My first scheduled HS game went really poorly. I was too excited and couldn't sleep the night before, missed a lot of stuff, was out of synch with my partner, and I think we must've missed a really obvious free-throw violation by letting the shooter set up at the volleyball line (which is about a foot closer than the foul line). Fortunately we didn't have any non-basketball action. Anyway, I talked to my partner after the game, and he offered this one bit of comfort: "It won't be the worst game you ever call!" I think he's right. Let it go. Learn from the mistakes you've identified. And move on. The next game will be better.

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Originally posted by gazou
How do you cope with it? How do you motivate yourself to continue being a basketball referee?

Quit working rec leagues. :D

Mregor

Brush the dirt off your shoulder and move on.

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Originally posted by JRutledge

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Originally posted by gazou

Anyone of you live a similar situation? How do you cope with it? How do you motivate yourself to continue being a basketball referee?

Treat every call individually. Look at the positive things. Work on the misses or things you did not do so well. Be honest with yourself.

Usually missed calls are because of lack of hustle, not in good position and not anticipating the play (not the call).

The way you make sure you eliminate these situations, is to go to camps, in the summer work as much as possible without burning yourself out and during the season watching as much basketball officials as you can.

This is not an overnight thing, but if you work at it you will get better.

Peace

This is probably the best post I have ever seen from JRut. Very well put.

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Originally posted by ref18
...the coach was ejected, but refused to leave, it was horrible.

Did he forfeit the game?

No, my partner got in sh!t earlier in the year for ruling a game a forfeit in similar circumstances, so we had the site convenor come in, and convince him to leave. Man, there's so much paperwork when it comes to ejections.