Was the 2nd T on UAB's coach warranted? In my opinion after looking at the replay, He was trying to get the attention of the official so that he could request a timeout. It didn't seem that loud to where the official couldn't hear him.

I think that the coach said something while calling the timeout! It will be interesting to see if there are any "horrible call" allegations in tomorrows papers.

BTW - He definately deserved the first one. He was guarding Simien better than any of his players were!

2 T's? Damn. I'm getting the Xavier/Texas game, haven't seen it yet.

I saw the T for when the UAB coach was requesting a technical while 4-5 feet out on the court. Definately warranted. Was that his second T, or did he go ape after getting the first one called?


Still no clue what the Barnes technicals were for.

NCAA Haiku
 

Tough times for Texas
Two T's - Terrible Teddy
It's time to takeoff

Hopefully the T's on Rick Barnes at the end won't take away from the great game Xavier played.

For complaining about a play that he had no business complaining about.

When are coaches just going to learn to just shut up. They do not need to make every issue on every play.

Peace

Damn, I missed it. But I'm sure they'll show it at halftime.

Hey RUT!

Illnois - Duke....ACC Champion vs. Big 10 Champion!!!! :)

I figured it was his complaining - just wondering if he was shouting, gesturing, swearing, not stopping, a combination of the above?

From what CBS showed us it looked like Rick Barnes just would not be quiet. He was complaining that the Texas player who took the three with about five seconds left was fouled on the was down (it looked to me that he had a beef although it should never have come down to that). After he was ejected they shot two shots for the foul and foul for the T's. Xavier made the last free-throw and the ball was given to Texas. Shouldn't have been Xavier's ball because of the T's? Not that it would have mattered.

[Edited by gostars on Mar 26th, 2004 at 10:55 PM]

NCAA goes with the Point of Interruption. Xavier shot four technical free throws with no one on the lane followed by two free throws with players along the lane for the foul.

I didn't see a foul on the rebound. IMO the Texas player failed to block out and the Xavier player went straight to the ball in the unoccupied space and the two players met in the same spot at the same time.

I did not see either T live and only saw the second on replay. Barnes must have said the magic words to get the second because it didn't look like he was yelling or making any gestures toward Teddy V. I'm betting Teddy won't be moving on to the next round.

I meant to say on hit way down after releasing the three.

[Edited by gostars on Mar 26th, 2004 at 10:57 PM]

Hey - another 25% of the Elite Eight teams are from the ATLANTIC 10!!!!!

BTW, we got both our regular season AND tournament champions that far. :p

As does the ACC!

The Big Little Ten is done. It's OVER!!! ;)

Barnes and his staff had been complaining about no-calls the previous 3 trips down the floor. On each play there certainly was contact between a Xavier player and a Texas player, but each time the covering official passed on the call. The T that he got w/ 3.9 secs left was an accumulation of the previous no calls and the last no call on the Xavier rebound (not to mention that his team was about to lose). In my opinion, most people would have a tendency to "lose it" a little bit under those circumstances. I know I would've from my days as a D1 asst. coach.

Teddy V "whacked" him the first time and should've just gotten away from him (use the "old" opposite table mechanic). Although I wasn't there and do not know what was said, you've got to just leave the coach alone when he's about ready to lose w/ 3.9 secs. left. It doesn't do the coach, you (the official), or the game any good to cause that kind of trouble at the end of the game.

As for the UAB vs. Kansas game - JUST GIVE THE COACH THE TIMEOUT and leave it alone.......He's losing by 20 - no need to toss him regardless of how much are pissed at him.

The most important thing you said, "I wasn't there and do not know what was said." It is really easy to say what should have been done, but you like myself was not there. And the NCAA wanted to have the "table side" mechanic after fouls, so guess what, they got exactly what they wanted. I would not be surprised if that changes next year as a result.

First of all, officials are not watching coaches, they are watching players. I am so tired of coaches acting like two year olds when we do not give them a timeout after they changed this rule. I am sure the gym was loud and the official was paying attention to more important issues. If you want a damn timeout, HAVE YOUR PLAYERS CALL IT!!! Hey, that is a novel idea.:rolleyes: You do not have to be a jerk because you do not get your way. And coming all the way on the court and probably using language that would have the FCC giving out fines, probably contributed to that T. And in my opinion, he deserved it. Do not show up the official and think we are going to just turn a blind eye. And I bet if he did not give the coach a T, he would have been downgraded as a result.

When you roll the dice, you just might crap out. Well two coaches ran into the wrong officials for their antics. Maybe a 100 officials might have passed and given these guys a break, but that does not matter when the one you are dealing with pulls the trigger. They should have known better.

Peace

Didn't one of the NCAA bulletins from Hank Nichols direct officials to go table side except after assessing a direct T to the head coach? Hold on, let me go check. . .

Hmmm, I can't seem to find that. All I could find is that we're supposed to go opposite after calling the 5th foul on a player. I could've sworn that they told us to go opposite after a T on the coach. Anybody else remember that?

Re: NCAA Haiku
 

From somebody else's post, I'm assuming you mean Teddy V. What was "terrible"? You mean he had a bad game? Or he was like Ivan the Terrible? I didn't get to see much of the game, but what I saw, the officiating was very good.

Ego
 

What a great game Xavier/Texas until the end--Mr V's ego came thru again--3 seconds to go and Mr V (the almighty one)-- I don't care what Barnes said or did with 3 seconds to go most mature officals are not going to make that call--Not Mr. V--His history proven over and over an inability to set aside his ego for 3 seconds. Signed Ego and Issues

Re: Ego
 

swampe4,
Pretty qick judgement.
Could that be because "it" wasn't said to you?
mick

Re: Ego
 

And how exactly do you know that? Do you know exactly what Barnes said? Do you know for sure that MOST mature officials are gonna agree with you? Do you have those poll results handy? Do you know that the officials weren't given pre-game instructions by the NCAA on how to deal with coaches that got out of line?

Just another whiny, losing coach that doesn't know how accept defeat without trying to blame someone else for it, rather than admit his team got outplayed and he got outcoached. Valentine didn't toss Barnes. Barnes tossed himself! Exactly the same as the goober from UAB that also tried to blame the officials for his team getting the supreme snot beaten outa them. Just a complete lack of class by both of them.

And just another whiny, losing fanboy now comes outa the woodwork to try and blame the officials when his team lost.
The best team won, and the officiating wasn't a factor. Get over it.

Did anyone see the UAB coach walk completely on the floor (about 2 feet from the lane) while his guys were dribbling up the floor.

As an official, I would have been startled. On the replay, the official is counting 10 and shielded by the UAB player with the ball. Then poof, there is the coach screaming and yelling. It didn't take long for teh official to give him the "heaven and hell" T. (explanation of the heaven and hell T......One hand starts way above the head and the other one starts way below the belt......when they meet....T T T T T!)

It was classic! Not Bobby Knight chair across the free throw line classic but still classic.

When the women changed their rotation (last season), they said the calling official "has the option to go opposite the table if an adversarial situation has or could occur." The bulletin does suggest staying tableside on T's or ejections, but then reminds officials that they can simply go to C.

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/baske...3/20020904.pdf

Can't find anything official from the men, but I seem to recall the same provision being in effect - the calling official always has the option of going opposite.

Absolutely not.

If he takes a step onto the court to get my attention, or he's screaming really loud but only screaming for the timeout, he'll get the timeout (and probably a warning to cool it down a bit).

When he's that far out on the court, that's (a) showing up all of the officials, and (II) a safety issue - if there's a fast break the other way, he's in the middle of it.

Regardless of the time, score, and however many other T's the coach has, this is one that has to be called.

Yes, table side after fouls, EXCEPT after T'ing a coach. Then you go opposite to get away from the coach. NCAA got exactly what they didn't want in this case.

Re: Re: NCAA Haiku
 

Chuck, lighten up. It's only Haiku, gotta do something to accumulate 7 syllables.

Terrible gave me 3 of them.

Re: Ego
 

Swamp guy - yep, it's not normal for things to go this way, but if you ask me given Valentine's reputation it was up to Barnes to just shut up. No way Barnes didn't know what was coming next, IMO.

Maybe if we were all as hard-@ssed as Valentine life would be easier all around.

Re: Re: Ego
 

Swamp guy - yep, it's not normal for things to go this way, but if you ask me given Valentine's reputation it was up to Barnes to just shut up. No way Barnes didn't know what was coming next, IMO.

Maybe if we were all as hard-@ssed as Valentine life would be easier all around.

[/B][/QUOTE]Heresy! Heresy, I tell ya!!!

You really expect a coach to be smart enough to know what he can say or not say to a particular official? Especially a particular official who has a reputation of not taking too much crap? And you further expect that maybe that coach might actually expect to be held responsible for his actions? Tsk,tsk,tsk! Next thing you know, you'll probably expect coaches to keep off of the floor while the game is going on too.

Blasphemy!

Re: Re: Ego
 

Good call, Sparky!

Re: Re: Ego
 

I must be on the right track with Mr.V (the almighty one), It seems no one wants to defend this guy much or his decision making abilities/inabilities. Did his decision Change the out come of the game? Probably not-- Did his decision Change the game? Yes by at least 4 free throws with 3 seconds to go! Sorry, I have watched Mr. V too long. Isn't he due for mandatory retirement or multiple "How to Control my Ego as I get Older" Classes.

Another troll wanders in the door. Soon to depart and never to be heard from again.

Go away, fanboy.

Re: Re: Re: Ego
 

Ahhh...I see...you somehow thought this is the "Defend Ted Valentine Association". Nope, sorry, that's down the hall to the left. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, OK?

As usual, Duke won.

Re: valentine is a disgrace
 

And the TV announcers thought? When did they start doing that?
Maybe I should develop a recipe for BBQ Troll.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ego
 

Yes, but it will fit a troll just fine. Quick, before you get roasted.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ego
 

Better hurry then if you want to find a seat! Off you go then...see ya!