Coach credibility

TigerBball

"Humble Senior Member" Hey, you started it.

Camron Rust

Originally posted by wyoref

There are coaches that you know if they complain or say something then theres probably a problem. I respect those coaches and usually tend to listen to them, but this idiot complained about every single call.

I agree. Crying wolf eventually leads to being ignored. A coach that is quiet all but once or twice a game will ensure that he is heard.

Originally posted by wyoref
He even approached my crewchief and said his girls overheard me telling the other team(my old high school)to beat his team. What I really said was "good luck in your game against the other team."

Why would you do this? If I'm going to say good luck to anyone I say it to both. For that matter, I don't like saying good luck...that leaves room for the come back "Are we going to needed it?" Instead, I say play hard and have fun.

Also, if it's your alma matter, why are you even working their games? If that is acceptable in your area due to a lack of officials, etc., why are you talking with the team? I'm sure that was another regional matchup that didn't involve your alma matter. If for some reason I did work my school, I'd make absolutely sure I didn't create an opportunity for anyone to misinterpret my fairness and neutrality.

BktBallRef

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
The term "coach credibility" is an oxymoron, like "jumbo shrimp" and "army intelligence".

I thought the same thing when I saw the topic! Should those two words be used in the same sentence? 😀

As the Fruit Cake Lady once said, "Some people are born an acehole, they're an acehole all their life, and they'll die an acehole!" 😛

icallfouls

WyoRef

What part of Wyo are you from? I think I just had a feeling of deja-vu in asking you this question. If I am asking you twice, my apologies. I was in Green River, then Laramie years ago.

Speaking of alma-maters. Did you get any of the teams from GR if you are working the 4A? From what I have seen both were in the playoff hunt.

Have a great tourney.

RecRef

Originally posted by wyoref
He even approached my crewchief and said his girls overheard me telling the other team(my old high school)to beat his team. What I really said was "good luck in your game against the other team."

🙁 Why in the world would you say something like this? I think you stepped over the line here. I don’t care what you think you said because what you did was to interject into the game a question about your honesty. And to make matters worse, it is your old school that you are wishing luck.

I wonder how much trolling is going on here? Anyone who has progressed to the level to be selected for a state tournament should know better.

FHSUref

I can remember 3 years ago I did my first Varsity game and after the boys game, the coach (who is also the AD) comes into the locker room after they won and tells us "good job." Of course, I was young so I ate it up.

After he left, my partner (who has been officiating for 28 years and has been recomended to officiate a state tournament for 26 years in a row), told me, "If they win and tell you good job, it doesn't mean much. It is if they lose and tell you a good job that it means something." I took it to heart. For the past 3 years, I have had 2 (yes two) coaches tell me good job after a loss.

I am sure that a winning coach that tells you good job can mean it. Just ask yourself though would that same coach tell you good job after a loss?

BktBallRef

Originally posted by FHSUref
I am sure that a winning coach that tells you good job can mean it. Just ask yourself though would that same coach tell you good job after a loss?

Let me pass a nugget along to you.

Without regard to win or lose, if he says you did a good job and you believe him, then do you also believe him when he tells you that you sucked?

Bottom line, most coaches couldn't give a crap about you. They just want what you can do for them the next time.

FHSUref

I could care less whether a coach says good job, you suck or anyhting like that. The point here is that the situation arises more times than not where there is that awkward situation in the hospitality room or passing in the hall at a tournament or after the game when you go to your vehicle and they are on the way to the bus that they may tell you good job, you blow, get some new contacs etc... AHHHH who really cares right?

BktBallRef

Originally posted by FHSUref
AHHHH who really cares right?

My point exactly.

wyoref

Let me clarify, I told some of the girls from the high school i was from "good luck" prior to their game as I was talking to some of the parents I knew. It was not during the game, I did not officiate their game.

I dont tell coaches good luck prior to a game, i simply say "have a good game"

[Edited by wyoref on Mar 9th, 2004 at 09:30 PM]

wyoref

TO answer your question, I live in Laramie, Wy. And yes as a matter of fact, my first State Tourney game Thursday is Gillette/Green River Boys. Should be a fun one.

cmathews

Wyoref,
Which regional did you work?? 3A east/west or 4a north/south?? I was at 2a southeast, but alas a week earlier than yours...

wyoref

I worked 3A West in Lyman. A fun tournament. Last year I had the 1A/2A West in Lander/Riverton which was also very fun as there were alot of teams there.

icallfouls

WyoRef, be sure to call it both ways. 😉 😉

Tell me how the game goes for you and if you have any impressions of team I would like to hear them.

tomegun

Just like others have said, you shouldn't care if a coach tells you good job or not. But, if a coach approaches you after the game and says other things they could be genuine. Think about the fact that between the lines they want to win period. After that maybe they are a nice guy/gal. That will be up to you to decide. They are there to do a job and so are we. If people judged us simply on our officiating then that wouldn't be fair. Yes, I'm a Basketball official but that does not tell the story of who I am as a man.

Back In The Saddle

Originally posted by tomegun
If people judged us simply on our officiating then that wouldn't be fair. Yes, I'm a Basketball official but that does not tell the story of who I am as a man.

The way you officiate reveals something about what kind of man you are. If you are fair or unfair, hard working or lazy, approachable or arrogant, humble or domineering, those characteristics are probably a pretty good indicator of the kind of person you are. A person who is constantly whiny and manipulative, maybe even abusive, and tries to gain unfair advantage between the lines, I think, has some character issues. It may not tell the whole story, but it tells a part of it.

tomegun

I can agree with you that it does tell some of the story but not the whole story. So even though an official or a coach is a jerk on the floor doesn't mean they are a jerk. I still play sometimes (it is getting hard to do much except shoot the 3) and I have to separate the officiating from the playing.

Hawks Coach

Originally posted by tomegun
I can agree with you that it does tell some of the story but not the whole story. So even though an official or a coach is a jerk on the floor doesn't mean they are a jerk. I still play sometimes (it is getting hard to do much except shoot the 3) and I have to separate the officiating from the playing.

If you can't coach or officiate without being a jerk, I have a hard time believing this doesn't show in other aspects of your life. I am not saying that you can't be a nice person to talk to in certain contexts if you are a jerk in a game, but I do believe that how you behave in all circumstances tells a lot about your character as a person, such as your ability to exercise self control, your ego, etc. Your behavior in any circumstance is one of many windows into who you are as a person - it isn't as simple as what you see on the court, but it isn't just who you are off the court either. It is somewhere in all of that.

And if you really are a nice person who cannot deal with the competitive environment without being a jerk, then it does tell me something about your judgment if nothing else. If you can't handle the heat, don't go back into that kitchen. Stick to situations where you can control your emotions. Just my opinion, of course!

Camron Rust

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Originally posted by FHSUref
I am sure that a winning coach that tells you good job can mean it. Just ask yourself though would that same coach tell you good job after a loss?

Let me pass a nugget along to you.

Without regard to win or lose, if he says you did a good job and you believe him, then do you also believe him when he tells you that you sucked?

Bottom line, most coaches couldn't give a crap about you. They just want what you can do for them the next time.

Following a recent playoff game I worked, my partner and I crossed paths with the losing team in the parking lot. The entire coaching staff and a few parents stopped us to say how happy they were with the job we did and talked for several minutes. They had traveled from the opposite side of the state (Oregon) which was over a 10 hour drive. In 12 years in Oregon, I had never even heard of their school and had never even heard of the town they were from. I'll probably never see them again. I think I can file that one away as genuine. 😉

rainmaker

Originally posted by Camron Rust
Following a recent playoff game I worked, my partner and I crossed paths with the losing team in the parking lot. The entire coaching staff and a few parents stopped us to say how happy they were with the job we did and talked for several minutes. They had traveled from the opposite side of the state (Oregon) which was over a 10 hour drive. In 12 years in Oregon, I had never even heard of their school and had never even heard of the town they were from. I'll probably never see them again. I think I can file that one away as genuine. 😉

I knew you'd get a play-off game this year, and I figured you'd do well. But that doesn't reduce the sincerity of my congratulations! Also, can you come and eval at my camp again this year? Thanks...