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bob jenkins Tue Mar 09, 2004 08:35am
Re: Beating a dead horse
 
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Originally posted by mplagrow
I mean this as a legit question. So how is it called in the NBA? I always hear about NBA guys getting away with too many steps. I was watching a game objectively the other night, just trying to focus on their footwork. Sure enough, the guard would stand with his back to the defender, pivot one way, wait and pivot the other. I guess my question is this. Traveling IS called (rarely) in the NBA. At what point do they say enough is enough? Does it have to be an a/d call on a drive to the hoop?
I think (those who care can go look it up) that the NBA allows a player to change pivot feet, as long as no distance is gained.

zebraman Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:25am
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by zebraman
I have worked with officials who "nitpick" travels and 3-seconds. I prefer to call the obvious (both ways) for both of those calls.

Z
In general, I agree, and I think most do. There are those little ones that really matter though. They aren't obvious, but they make a big difference, and those need to be called. But I expect you meant that, and I'm just "nitpicking" about language, right?
You worded it better than me Julie. You are correct.

Z

Forksref Tue Mar 09, 2004 03:03pm
My pet traveling peeve:

Travels that are called when the pivot foot did NOT move or did NOT leave the floor. Correct me if I am wrong, but the heel of the foot lifting while the toe remains in contact with the floor is NOT a travel.

Back In The Saddle Tue Mar 09, 2004 04:25pm
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Originally posted by Forksref
My pet traveling peeve:

Travels that are called when the pivot foot did NOT move or did NOT leave the floor. Correct me if I am wrong, but the heel of the foot lifting while the toe remains in contact with the floor is NOT a travel.
Agggh! Had one of these in a game last night. L is screened off the ball-handler by the defender. Ball-handler fakes a couple of different directions. Defense screams traveling. L calls it. His pivot foot never moved. :(

BTW, I realize that I prolly shouldn't have been looking there. But being very inexperienced in three whistle, and with nothing of any interest going on in the T's area, I didn't know where I should be looking. Anybody care to enlighten me? The player had come out of my area on a drive to the basket, and then pulled up.

ace Tue Mar 09, 2004 04:31pm
I think the T can slide down thanks to flex rotation and help out the lead some. I may be wrong.

Back In The Saddle Tue Mar 09, 2004 04:32pm
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Originally posted by ace
I think the T can slide down thanks to flex rotation and help out the lead some. I may be wrong.
I have heard the term "flex" a few times. But I have no idea what it means. Can you explain it?

ace Tue Mar 09, 2004 04:42pm
Its where the Center and Trail dont always have to wait for the lead to rotate. You see it more in the NBA and its not too highly praised in HS because it can complicate things. Lets say your C and theres a pass over to your side to a player right infront of you and the Lead doesnt come over you allowed to slide up and the T will usually slide down some to make up for the loss.

By the way the NBA is allowed to change pivot feet only when he is moving and recieves the ball he's alot a "two count" step. I found it in the rules and case book this morning but now I cant seem to find it. Willp ost when i do.

Bart Tyson Tue Mar 09, 2004 04:48pm
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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
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Originally posted by ace
I think the T can slide down thanks to flex rotation and help out the lead some. I may be wrong.
I have heard the term "flex" a few times. But I have no idea what it means. Can you explain it?
Flex= When the ball goes pass the far lane line extended, the L flexes to strong side. The T flexes to C position. So now you have L and 2-C's. Then when the ball ditates the old C may flex to the T position. SOOOOoooo "Flex" means "Rotate to a different position"

Hawks Coach Tue Mar 09, 2004 05:05pm
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Originally posted by ace
In the NBA it is Advantage/Disadvantage. Thier rule on traveling is no different than ours.
You ought to examine their rule on pivoting after a jump stop if you really think this is true. As for the star system, it doesn't exist in the NBA if steroids don't exist in baseball. Currently, there is no real test for either one :)

Camron Rust Tue Mar 09, 2004 06:34pm
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Originally posted by ace
By the way the NBA is allowed to change pivot feet only when he is moving and recieves the ball he's alot a "two count" step. I found it in the rules and case book this morning but now I cant seem to find it. Willp ost when i do.
This not actually a "change" of the pivot foot but a difference in establishing it to begin with.


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