Last Friday night, A1 took a shot from 3 point territory. He shot an airball, and as the ball came down, it hit A2 (who was getting into rebounding position) on the back of the head, then went OOB. A2 was shaken up a little so we called an injury timeout.

My partner came over to me and asked me if the shot would have counted if it had gone in off A2's head. I told him yes - but it would not count for three points, since the shot ended when it hit the kid's head.

I said that since A2 had not taken the shot, it was only a two.

He smiled and said, "I dunno. It looks like he took quite a shot to me."

I did'nt think a basket would count unless it is part of an attempt. Bouncing of a head is not an attempt?

Oops! Think again. ;) Any time a live ball goes through the basket, it counts. With two exceptions, that I can think of.

A goal is made when a live ball (which this was) enters the basket from above and remains in or passes through.

The 2 exceptions are a player control foul, or a throw -in which is not touched and enters the basket.

[Edited by thumpferee on Feb 17th, 2004 at 03:44 PM]

Thanks for the info.

Can a player bounce the ball to make it go into the hoop???

Only one under ncaam, correct?

BTW, I happened to bump into this in my internet travels.

http://www.nynewsday.com/media/thumb...2/11448860.jpg

Yes, except for a free throw. (The ball becomes dead when it hits the floor.)

Technically, there is one other exception, a correctable wrongly awarded free throw.

The ball went in, didn't it???

Only if the ball was bounced from beyond the three point it would only count as 2.
See Rule 5.2.1

Has anyone seen this happen?

Saw one but it didn't count. Kid throws up a half court shot at the buzzer, ball hits the top of the backboard, bounces off back toward half court, hits a light on the ceiling and bounces back toward the basket, hits the floor just past the free throw line, bounces up and in, nothing but net.

WOW! Fans probably wanted to beat up the ref for calling it no good!

How about the ball that goes through the net from below, above the rim and then comes back down through the top? I seem to remember that being disallowed as well.

See earlier post:

A goal is made when a live ball (which this was) enters the basket FROM ABOVE and remains in or passes through.

NFHS 9-4 covers this as well: "A player shall not...cause [the ball] to enter and pass through the basket from below."

Violation.

Sven

I said in another thread that I don't have to worry much about offensive BI, but I'm wondering if it wouldn't be another instance of a live ball passing through but not counting as a basket. COuld it happen?

I can't think of an instance where it could happen with BI. The whistle blows and the ball becomes dead when you call the BI, and that has to occur before the ball goes all the way through.If the ball has gone all the way through, you can no longer call BI, by rule.

Are you sure? I thought I remember reading a case play with this exact description - something like A1 shoots, bounces off A2's head, buzzer goes off, ball goes in. Ruling was no bucket because the bounce off of A2's head wasn't a try, by definition. Maybe that's different since it's an end-of-game scenario?

I'm gonna have to find the case play...

No "maybe" about it -- Chuck's quote says, "...live ball..." -- on the end-of-game scenario, the ball wasn't live when it went through the basket.

Punny
 

I see. So, if the contact with the ring or net happen late enough that the ball is already through, there's no call, it's not BI. And if the ball is not yet through, the infraction makes the ball dead, so it's not a live ball passing through the net. The whistle may come after the ball is through though, correct? It's really the infraction and not the whistle that makes the ball dead, isn't that right?

Don't have my case book handy, but there's another situation in Rule 10. If A1 inbounds to A2, who then tosses it in the wrong basket on purpose, the goal is disallowed, and a technical is given to A2. Can anyone verify this? I think it's case book 10.3.something...

I think you have the case confused -- the case deals with A inbounding when it's B who's supposed to be inbounding. Since time is put back on, I guess I'd say that the ball was dead (even if no one knew it at the time).

Another example
 

A ball going through following offensive interference is likewise not counted. I'm not sure if this would be because of a violation before the ball went through or because by rule the basket does not count.

Re: Another example
 

The BI causes the ball to be dead immediately, so it's not a LIVE ball passing thru the basket.

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Originally posted by TPS2859
I did'nt think a basket would count unless it is part of an attempt.
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it is a case play..this is C6.7.6 page 50
"Ruling: No goal. The ball rebounding from A2's head is not considered a try or a tap. A try or tap is made with the hand(s). In this situation, since it was not a try or tap, the ball became dead immediately when time expired. (4-50-5)

correct me if I am wrong!
 

If the horn went off before the ball went through the basket I believe the ball would be dead and the basket would not count. I do not have my rule book to back it up but I think that this is a correct interpetation.