Had a funny situation last night that got me thinking.

Player on team A loses a shoe as she's on the offensive end. The shoe migrates to the baseline where my partner picks it up to get it off the playing court. Player A keeps playing with one shoe. While holding the shoe, my partner calls a travel. I got a pretty good chuckle out of my partner's new mechanic.

It got me thinking, should we have blown the play dead to allow the player to put her shoe back on? It happened fairly quick and didn't pose a great safety risk.

Your thoughts are welcome.

NO. Options; 1) wait for a stopage in the clock. 2) when her team has possession, they may request a TO or while in possession they can try to play keep-a-way from the opponent while she puts her shoe back on.

If her team has the ball and is not attempting to move toward the basket, I would blow it dead and allow her to fix her shoe. To me it is no different than a pair of glasses on the floor, other than the breakage issue..

Big difference glasses break and shoes don't. Glasses falling off, the player isn't going to leave them. She will stop what she is doing a pick up the glasses, so no need to stop play for glasses. The only exceptions would be if they fall during rebounding and once the team who has to go the other end secures the ball, or a made basket, or if the team pulled the ball out. I think i've seen glasses maybe once every 6 or 7 years.

Agree with Bart. Glasses can be a safety item. Shoes aren't.

If her team was in possession of the ball, I would blow it dead. The shoes are still a injury potential. I can't tell you how many times I almost twisted an ankle stepping on a shoe I didn't see in the locker room when I was coaching. Either someone won't see the shoe lying in the way, and twist their ankle, OR the girl who lost the shoe will have her foot stomped on and break it. Never know what can transpire.

There are shoes flying all over the court, most with feet already in them. The potential to turn an ankle on a shoe is no different with someone's foot in it or not. A shoe is not a safety hazard and there's no sense blowing a play dead because someone loses a shoe. Glasses can break and broken glass is not a good thing to have on a gym floor. Apples and oranges.

any of you ever try to stop on a foot covered only in a sock? It can be a safety hazard, when they have the ball in team possesion and are not working toward the hoop, I am gonna stop it and let her put it back on. If you will look above I said the shoe was no different than glasses, except for the breakage issue...

Why not?
 

If there is no advantage/disadvantage to be had, ex. team A is in control and not driving, stop play and let her put the shoe on! No harm done. It's just reasonable game management in my opinion.

I used to wait for an ideal time to blow the play dead after a loss of a shoe, but then i almost tripped over one. When i see a shoe fly, i blow the whistle right away. And send the person with the shoe to their bench to fix it.

And what rule are you using to send a player out of the game, instead of just letting them put the shoe back on?

Recent juco game (somehow weird stuff always happens during juco games) A1's bringing the ball up the back court and A2 comes over to me, he's carrying his shoe.

A2: "Hey ref, my shoe came off man."
Me: "..."
A2: "Ref my damn shoe came off"
Me: "Wanna timeout?"
Coach A: "No he does not want a time out! Get your damn shoe back on and shut up!!"

Recent juco game (somehow weird stuff always happens during juco games) A1's bringing the ball up the back court and A2 comes over to me, he's carrying his shoe.

A2: "Hey ref, my shoe came off man."
Me: "..."
A2: "Ref my damn shoe came off"
Me: "Wanna timeout?"
Coach A: "No he does not want a time out! Get your damn shoe back on and shut up!!"

[/B][/QUOTE]There are some wise coaches out there.

This happened last night in a V game (boys). I blew the whistle for him to put his shoe on. JUCO - I would do the same thing as Dan.

wonder what the call would be from some of these refs that want to continue play if their shoe comes off??????

Personnally, if A has the ball and play has settled ....no fast breaks, then i would stop play for the shoe, eye glasses, contacts, .....common sense officiating!

Having my shoe come off or anything that hinders my ability to do my job is an entirely different situation. I equate the shoe coming off to a kid who gets injured, but clearly not seriously. You let the play continue until a time when it's appropriate to blow the whistle and take care of the problem. That could be immediately or after a developing play. A player's shoe coming off is not that big of a deal, but people sure like to overdramatize things in this forum. Every situation is different and is usually dealt with accordingly. There's no absolute way of handling unusual situations - you just try to do the right thing, with safety being your first consideration.

Stop play!
 

Some people treat a basketball game like it is a life or death situation. If nothing is going on stop the game and put the shoe back on. What the hell difference does it make?? If the coach complains about this, well big deal, he is probably complaining about everything else, too! No one ever lost a game because some official stopped the game to put a shoe on.

Frankly for "some of these refs" a sohe coming off would be very, very unlikely. Doesn't take much to tie your laces tight enough to keep your shoes on...if you need new laces they're only like a buck & a half. In other words "some of these refs" take care of their equipment and start the game prepared.

Glasses and contatcs are NOT the same as shoes.

Re: Stop play!
 

Some people treat a shoe coming off like it is a life or death situation. If nothing is going on the player can stop and put the shoe back on. What the hell difference does it make?? If the coach complains about this, well big deal, he is probably complaining about everything else, too! No one ever lost a game because some player stopped playing the game to put a shoe on.

What are you saying?
 

Dan_ref is checking your shoe laces to see if they are ready to work a game part of your pre-game?

Re: What are you saying?
 

You don't check your shoelaces?

Not a bad idea!
 

No but one time I wish I would of because when I got to the game I had two left footed shoes. One was soft leather so I put it on my right foot and worked the game. People thought I was visually handicapped and physically handicapped lloking at both my toes pointed to the right!

Glasses and shoes are very different. Shoes will take care of themselves. A player will continue to play D and if a player has a chance to shoot a layup what do we think that player is going to do with one shoe on? He is going to shoot the layup! See this play all the time on TV. Play on. I wouldn't have a problem with my partner stopping play at the right time for this though. I would just play on. I know a guy who will get pissed if you stop the game for the net after a made basket because it doesn't say anything about it in the rules.
On another note, why do these shoes come off? If someone steps on the back of your shoe then I can see it but just to come off I don't see. I was a kid who loved to play outside. I loved it so much that I didn't want to take the time to tie my shoe more than once. The solution to this is to double-tie it the first time. Is it cool to tie your shoes in the middle of a game? We know they have all kinds of other stupid things that they think are cool. I still double-tie my shoes everyday. I guess I still only want to do it once!

That ^ is a long post for a stupid shoe. I......Oh I have to go, my shoe just came untied.

Wanna time out?

If not then you better keep posting... :p

Re: Not a bad idea!
 

DJ went home to change, but the pair at home was just as bad. ;)

As for safety...a guy I work with, his wife broke her ankle a few weeks back when she stepped on her sons shoe that he left beside the couch. Could you explain why you didn't stop play with a potential safety hazard on the floor if someone did get hurt?

Every play is a potential safety hazard. At any given time anyone can step on someone else's foot, or fall down because the floor is slippery, or any number of reasons. A player can still play while missing a shoe. If either team is in the midst of a developing play, it would probably be a bad move to blow the play dead until the play is over. While it's unfortunate that someone broke their ankle from stepping on a shoe once, I'll bet people have broken an ankle simply from stepping on nothing, their ankle turned and whoops. Stuff happens.

Sometimes a player will fall on the floor (no foul involved) in the key during a rebound or other play, and someone might step on him and cause injury to the fallen player or themselves. Should we blow every play dead when a player falls on the floor in the key for the sake of safety? Come on.

[Edited by Smitty on Feb 12th, 2004 at 01:56 PM]

Clever!
 

Very, very clever, Bob!

The same rule that lets them stop the clock during a live ball without a TO. :D IMO, I'm not stopping the game.

Mregor

Blew a Tire
 

my partner had one the other night, A1's shoe came off, B got the rebound and headed for the other end of the floor, B1 grabbed A1's shoe and gave it a toss over his shoulder OOB. partner said he T'd B1 for unsporting behavior. Kindof like other thread where B1 kicked the mouthpiece under the bleachers.

Re: Blew a Tire
 

I don't think I would have given a T for either of these situations. Shoe,, tooo bad. Mouthpiece,... Wait for dead ball.

Lost shoe
 

Shoe? My partner last night was doing a game where the players
shoe and leg (artificial) came off!!!!

Shoe? My partner last night was doing a game where the players
shoe and leg (artificial) came off!!!!

[/B][/QUOTE]Well, it didn't matter what you called then. He couldn't kick about it.

Well, it didn't matter what you called then. He couldn't kick about it. [/B][/QUOTE]

What do you call a woman with one leg?

Lost shoe
 

Well, it didn't matter what you called then. He couldn't kick about it. [/B][/QUOTE]

Told my assignor, he asked me if I was pulling his.....

What do you call a woman with one leg?

[/B][/QUOTE]Got me. What?

Btw, this had better be crude-or I'll be very disappointed in you.

Got me. What?

Btw, this had better be crude-or I'll be very disappointed in you. [/B][/QUOTE]

Eileen.

What do you call her if she's Japanese?

Eileen.

What do you call her if she's Japanese?

[/B][/QUOTE]Irene?

Bwahahaha...

Was I right?

What do you call a dog with no legs?

Irene?

Bwahahaha...

Was I right?

What do you call a dog with no legs? [/B][/QUOTE]

Doesn't matter, he aint coming anyway...

and what do you call a cat with no legs?

1)Doesn't matter, he aint coming anyway...

2)and what do you call a cat with no legs?

[/B][/QUOTE]
1) Nope. You call him first base!
2)Second base?

1) Nope. You call him first base!
2)Second base? [/B][/QUOTE]

1) :lol:
2) Nope, dog food.

What do you call a BoSox fan who just found out that the Yankees got A-Rod? :D

I don't know...let's ask 'em.

Well fellas? :D

Yoo-hoo, Chucky?

Oh, Chucky???

Anything to piss off the Bosux!