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Had a sitch today that I don't think was right, but here goes. Yes, I ref, but today I was coaching 8th grade boys.
A23 (my team) puts up a floating three pointer. Whistle blown late, Lead calls push on A31 'after the shot'. He calls the basket good, and gives B the ball OOB. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's not possible, is it? If I understand the rules, this is what it should have been: 1) the foul was before the basket, so dead ball 2) no foul, just incidental contact after the basket, 3) the foul was intentional after the basket. I didn't point it out to the ref, because if I did he probably would have said, "OK, coach, I'll change it to intentional if it makes you happy!" Probably what I would do! Thoughts? |
It depends on when the foul occured. If it happened after the release but before the basket went in, which I am guessing is correct then they did it correctly. Before the shot is released, it is dead, no points....after it goes through, ignore it unless flagrant or intentional...
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OK, let's adjust the situation slightly. A1 shoots, while ball is in the air, B1 shoves A2 for position. Basket goes in. Count the basket, call the foul and award A the ball (or bonus shots)?
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What about shooter?
OK, OK, what about this? A1 releases a try and comes down. While the ball is in flight, B1 does the old box-out-the-shooter shove and you deem the contact worthy of a defensive foul. Can you determine the shooting action was complete? I saw this in a game once last year. I called the foul on B1, the basket was good, and my partner prepared to award the ball to A at the spot. The coach from B was howling that they couldn't have the basket and the ball, too. If anything, a shooting foul. Once the shooting action is completed, common foul? Ball goes to A?
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Re: What about shooter?
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they need to be on the ground for a "substantial" amount of time before I consider the shooting action over...if it is bang bang I still have a shooter...jmho
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Agreed. . .I'd rather see a kid go to the line, I think, than have a good basket and award the ball back to team A. However, if that's indeed what really happens, the rules are what they are for a reason!
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A player is an airborne shooter until the instant he returns to the floor. Being in touch with the floor a "substantial" amount of time is not a factor in determining whether the player who shot the ball is an airborne shooter or not. The instant one foot returns to the floor the player is not longer a shooter and if the defender then makes illegal contact the foul is a common foul by the defender. |
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It has always be one foot in NFHS and NCAA Women's and two feet in NCAA Men's, but it is now one foot in all three. |
Had this same play happen yesterday. I was lead off ball, A1 shoots a 3 from corner. While the ball is in the air, B3 holds A3 going in for rebound. I blow my whistle before ball goes through hoop. I meet with my partner(2 man), and we count the basket and award B the ball. Rational being, foul happened before the basket, thus you can't penalize B twice.
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You penalized A by not assessing the penalty for B3's foul. For example, If this is Team B's 7th or more foul would you not award the bonus FTs to A3? |
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