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Bart Tyson Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:04pm

HS and College. During a TO, the game time on the clock goes off and the TO time displays, then when the TO is finished the game time is redisplayed. Is this legal? Is the game time supposed the be displayed at all times?

Smitty Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:09pm

I kind of like it when the clock displays the timeout time remaining and counts down. Let's me know that the timer is on top of his job and I can see clearly the time remaining in the timeout. What harm is done by doing this?

nine01c Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:14pm

There are many such score boards in my area. The Time Out is displayed counting down until it gets to zero (that's when clueless people yell out, "Hey, stop the clock!"). Then, when the TO is over, the game time is redisplayed. This should cause no problem or confusion (just in case) because the reporting referee will ensure that the time of the Time Out is recorded in the official book.

Smitty Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:17pm

Another reason I like this is because sometimes the timer gets distracted if they are using a watch or some other way of timing the timeout and we end up standing there for what seems like forever because the timer forgets to keep an eye on the timeout time. Then I have to guess if it seems like we've gone over 20 seconds or 45 and it looks awkward. It also takes away any homer type timers that might tend to give a little extra time to the home team during their timeouts. I think it's a good thing.

JugglingReferee Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:23pm

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Originally posted by nine01c
(that's when clueless people yell out, "Hey, stop the clock!").
McFly. McFly. That's what I wanted to say to one fan who kept reminding me that the clock was running. 0:48...0:47...0:46 I was even watching it run down for something to do. The fact that the game was less than two minutes old escaped the dumb fan.

Bart Tyson Thu Feb 05, 2004 02:06pm

This issue was raised because they said the rule book must display game time at all times.

zebraman Thu Feb 05, 2004 02:23pm

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Originally posted by Bart Tyson
This issue was raised because they said the rule book must display game time at all times.
huh?

Z

JugglingReferee Thu Feb 05, 2004 02:37pm

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Originally posted by Bart Tyson
This issue was raised because they said the rule book must display game time at all times.
I thought we weren't supposed to bring the rule book out during a game.

Bart Tyson Thu Feb 05, 2004 02:47pm

Sorry, I was in a hurrrrry. The issue was raised because the rule in the rule book states the game clock must be displayed at all times.

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 05, 2004 03:41pm

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Originally posted by Bart Tyson
Sorry, I was in a hurrrrry. The issue was raised because the rule in the rule book states the game clock must be displayed at all times.
And....what rule might that be? All NF 1-15 says is that a visible game clock is mandatory. That just means you have to have a clock.

Bart Tyson Thu Feb 05, 2004 03:46pm

Mark, I havn't had a chance to check the book. I was told this about a college game. Her referecne was the ncaa rule book.

devdog69 Thu Feb 05, 2004 04:55pm

Bart,
After a quick perusing of the book, I find no such rule. It says 'a visible game clock is required'. She may be interpreting that to mean the score is required to be visible at all times, which I think would be incorrect. Other than that I see nothing else on it. Sounds over-officious to me.

Bart Tyson Thu Feb 05, 2004 05:03pm

I agree, might be reading more into it than she should.

ChuckElias Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:38pm

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Originally posted by Smitty
I kind of like it when the clock displays the timeout time remaining and counts down.
I like it unless the countdown can't be stopped. We have a clock like that at a local school. We had a TO, the clock switched to the 60 second countdown. But both teams were ready after about 40 seconds. The timer then told me we had to wait for it to finish b/c he couldn't make it go back to the game clock. sigh.

A Pennsylvania Coach Sun Feb 08, 2004 08:47am

I don't really like it. I've found myself, once in a while, having to ask the timer how much time is left in the period before ducking into my timeout huddle. Late in a quarter, it is important to know the exact amount.

Bart Tyson Sun Feb 08, 2004 01:33pm

NCAA
 
Duties of Timer; The official timer shall: Art. 1. Be provided with a game clock to be used for timing periods and intermissions and a stopwatch for timing timeouts.

Question is, what is the definition of a stopwatch? Can we make a case the game clock is a stopwatch when used for the TO?

TriggerMN Sun Feb 08, 2004 04:03pm

Bart-->

We had this situation come up in a women's juco game last year. I went over and told the timer NOT to put up the time-out time on the clock.

The reasoning for me was that on the 75-second time outs, if the calling team breaks their huddle early, the other team must also break and play resumes. Why give the coach the option of seeing how much time he/she has left if they're ready for play?

Especially at the juco level. The coaches are not as knowledgeable about the rules there. Team A calls a full time out and breaks the huddle after 30 seconds. I go over to team B and tell them to break. The coach looks at the clock and says, "I've got 45 seconds left." It's going to take me more time to explain a rule the coach should already know than it would if there was no visible time out clock, they break the huddle, and the coach says, "That seemed quick."

TriggerMN Sun Feb 08, 2004 04:04pm

Oh, and most electronic scoreboards these days have the option of the timer having a stopwatch on the board in front of him, without putting it up on the board. Teams, coaches, and fans do not need to see a running clock during time outs. All it will do is cause problems and confusion.

Bobby Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:49pm

Good point. I've been working rec leagues and doing all the logistics of the Daktronics AS-3100 console.

Many modern scoreboards have a time-outs remaining function and automatically time the charged time-out. However, during one game, one team called an excessive time-out, and I was forced to point at the console to the official -- "NO TIME OUTS!!!!". The console had said no time outs.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 09, 2004 06:58am

We have a couple of schools here that do this. I have to say that I prefer the game time to remain on the clock during the TO. I keep having to remember to look at the clock before I report the TO to the table. I also like to be able to huddle with my partners near the end of the game if it is close and have that info up there for all of us to see.
Despite this, I have not asked any timer not to put the TO time on the board. I just deal with it the best I can that night.

Mark Dexter Wed Feb 11, 2004 05:34pm

Just be careful that the time displayed when you go back is automatically set at the actually the time left.

If it's done manually, you could lose up to 9/10 of a second - not a big deal at 7:45, but it's going to be huge with 1 on the clock in the 4th quarter.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 12, 2004 08:51am

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
I keep having to remember to look at the clock before I report the TO to the table.
You should do this everytime the whistle blows and on every change of posession (consistent with other court duties, of course).


Nevadaref Sun Feb 15, 2004 07:49am

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
I keep having to remember to look at the clock before I report the TO to the table.
You should do this everytime the whistle blows and on every change of posession (consistent with other court duties, of course).


Absolutely, Bob! While I do glance at it, I generally just am making sure that it is no longer running. I should have been more specific and written that I have to take a good look at the clock, so that I can remember the time, before I report the TO to the table and it completely disappears.

PS I don't look at it on a steal. I stay with the play.


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