This came up on another forum but is more appropriately discussed here.

I am new to reffing basketball this year.

Can anyone give an example of a false double foul and why the distinction? The example that Bob Jenkins gave on the other board sounded like just two separate fouls to me and I don't understand why the distinction.

Please give an example of false multiple foul.

Bob also said that a multiple foul is rarely called. Why is that?

Rita

That's because it is two separate fouls.

PLAY:
B1 fouls A1.

A1 goes to the line for 2 FTs.

(a) During either FT, A2 fouls B2.

(b) During either FT, B2 fouls A2.

RULING:
(a) False double foul. A2 has committed a foul after B1 fouled but before the clock re-started.

(b) False multiple foul. B2 has committed a foul after A1 fouled but before the clock re-started.

THE DIFFERENCE:
Double fouls and flase double fouls occur when a member from each team fouls.

Multiple fouls and multiple fouls occur when members of the same team commit fouls.

There you have it Rita, a much better explanation. Although mine was a correct example as well.

So, in the example given, the fouls that occur during the FT would still be penalized? Or not?

If penalized, this would mean would mean FTs if during the bonus, wouldn't it?

Rita

If the foul occurs while in the bonus or to put a team in the bonus those would be penalized with free throws as well. The only foul you do not penalize with free throws when in the bonus is a player control foul.

Sure, the fouls are penalized. No reason not to. :)

Many people think that a false foul is this thing that you have to rule on and call correctly and this and that. A false foul is no big deal. But it's not. In fact, it's just a term to describe the situation. It's simply when a foul occurs, followed by another foul before the clock restarts. It's really not an issue. Just penalize the fouls in the order in which they occur.

I'll jump in here even though Mr. BBR has so elequently given you examples.

Basically, Rita, remember to shoot the FTs in the order they happened. So if you have a Foul during a FT, it could then be a False Double or False Multiple. You would clear the lanes and finish the FT (if there was another shot to be taken) and then go down to the other end of the court and shoot the FTs with the lanes occupied. If part of the False Double or False Multiple Fouls were a Technical...then clear the lanes, shoot the FTs and administer the ball at the division line or where appropriate.

Bob also said that a multiple foul is rarely called. Why is that?

I could have called a multiple foul last night. The star player had 4 fouls and his teammate had 2 fouls. They both fouled an opponent going up for a shot. I chose to "get the point guard first" hence, keeping the stud in the game.

Sure I could have "picked" the stud for the foul...sure I could have "by rule" got em both.
Why didn't I? I dunno...experience? lessons taught? wouldn't have helped the game at all? Pick one!

RD

BTW...I would have done the same thing for the other team's "stud"...or any player ready to foul out for that matter.



[Edited by RookieDude on Jan 14th, 2004 at 03:03 PM]

One of the cardinal rules, do not call something you do not know how to enforce. And really a multiple foul usually is confusing to not only the officials, to everyone that is playing or coaching in the game. A false double foul is more likely to happen, people get confused by the definition more than what it is. You really do not call a false double foul, you have a situation that makes the situation a false double foul.

Peace

Amen, Brother! ;)

I have heard this "rule" quoted many times by many officials.

RD